Vote Kicked Players Need To Be Penalized

[Kazumac]

I won't be happy with just removing them and filing a harrassment ticket. That is not enough! I want proof that their wrongs have been justly sentenced and that they have paid so dearly that I can feast on their salty tears as they understand the full extent of my righteous wraith!

But joking aside, no, vote kick is a way to remove an immediate impediment to your game such as an offline member, AFK, harrassment, etc. It should not be used to dole out punishment as dictated by the playerbase. That is for the jurisdiction of the GMs.

[Chihaya]

Just imagine 7 of them in WoD and, for lulz, vote kicking anyone that joins in progress. The unintended consequences of this would be terrible, the trolls will make it impossible to progress.

Ya know, there's a cooldown on how often you can vote kick someone. 4hr iirc.

But really, WoD is bringing out the worse people.

[myahele]

I do think that if you're vote kicked 3 times in a given time frame (lets say 1 hr or maybe within 12) then people should be penalized for atleast 30mins.

I doubt there's many people who'll get kicked 3 times in a row unless they are the trolls. I see WAY too many people afk/ dc after wipes. Afterall, why get penalized for 30 mins when you can benefit from the system?

Sure, there are some people that get unjustifiably kicked, but to be kicked 3 times in a row?

[Mugiawara]

The system in place now is already abused to hell and everyone knew the consequences once we had it.
Anymore to it, people are going to start leaving because no one ain't got the time to be innocently kicked and wait over an hour to return, especially if
you're a DPS.

I DO think if you're kicked a certain amount of times a day...maybe 3, then there could be a small penalty.

[NyarukoW]

Ya know, there's a cooldown on how often you can vote kick someone. 4hr iirc.

But really, WoD is bringing out the worse people.

It takes only one to intitate the vote. That means they can screw over 7 people in their 20 mins of lulz in WoD.

[Cadmar]

The point he is making is that regardless of the proposed system, the current system has serious flaws as well.

I see the flaws and potential of abuse of my initial proposal, but how about if I kick someone for harassment, I am forced to fill out a GM ticket? Or at least ASKED if I would like to fill out a ticket? I understand we can never know about the results of a specific investigation. However, I do want to see a Lodestone report every month on actions taken against accounts for harassment. We already have one for RMT activities why cant we get something similar in regards to player conduct?

This is an idea I could get behind. Well said. Honestly, I think if you are going to kick someone for harassment you should have to provide some sort of reasoning.

[Darki]

I know there probably has been threads that have said similar things, but as the powers that be have not responded to this yet, I feel the need to repeat it.

There is an epidemic in World of Darkness. It was an epidemic in Syrcus Tower and Crystal Tower before it. People queue up only intending to go to a specific boss and then demand to be kicked or they will afk for the rest of the run. Some will not afk and simply continue to harass the group by pulling bosses and trash and wiping groups.

Simply kicking these players for harassment does NOTHING. What is the purpose of specifying the reason you are kicking someone if nothing is going to be done about that reason? There needs to be some penalty here. Players already can be kicked and then instantly join in progress the same group they were kicked from. Players can demand to be kicked rather than leaving and earning themselves the 30minute desertion penalty. We as players need an outlet for these players who harass others, afk and/or demand to be kicked.

Players who are kicked for harassment should receive a 60minute timeout from dungeons. Players who are kicked often for this need to be suspended and we need to see a report like the RMT reports that this is happening.

Please remedy this situation before we hit Heavensward.

I don't think making the vote kick more severe is the answer. How about this?...

If a player deliberately doesn't enter a boss's arena (Jumping in mid run would obviously be exempt) as a way of forcing afk vote kick, then a more severe penalty could be implemented as well as not being able to lot on loot. It could be a ban from duties for a set amount of time or maybe something more unique. These penalties are just off the top of my head.

[Ihm]

How about, rather than worrying about penalising people for dropping or wanting to be kicked or whatever, how about SE develop content that doesn't promote people doing this?

Why would someone want to to complete full runs over and over again, then they are only allowed one item per week, and that item is on the first boss. With RNG saying that its only a 1/10 or 1/11 (depending on the boss) chance of you item dropping, and an average of lets say 30 minutes a run, which is being generous.

On top of this, by making a system that hurts people further for being kicked, what happens when you get groups of people, and lets not be naive here, that will kick people to preserve loot drops between them and their friends, or simply because someone didn't do just as much dps as someone else wanted.

Come on people, think for five minutes before you post these extremist views and solutions that don't see any of the picture.

[Niwashi]

In order for this to be viable, SE would first have to start enforcing their rules regarding the reasons for a vote kick. You shouldn't be able to select AFK or Disconnected unless the player actually is AFK or disconnected, and selecting Harassment should require a GM review, one in which somebody must always be punished, either the kicked player (if the GM determines that the reported harassment actually took place) or the players who kicked them (if it's determined it hadn't, in which case the kick itself is harassment).

So far, SE has shown no willingness to enforce their rules. As long as that remains the case, there's no correlation between who was kicked and who was doing the harassing. The proposed rule change would punish the victim as often as the perpetrator.

[Able]

Not going to happen for reasons previously stated. It WILL be abused.