Remove Shoulder Tackle Stun

[thunderbreak]

As a monk, Shoulder Tackle is a essential way to keep up Grease Lightning and a great position tool, however in some fights the Stun effect prevents monks to use this ability.

Please remove the stun effect, or replace it with something like pacification.

[SpookyGhost]

Shoulder Tackle's stun really is situational to begin with. You'd need to be in a situation where nobody can stun something that's being cast and you're 10 yalms away for some reason, which is pretty ridiculous. I guess it's decent for approaching mobs in the open world, starting with a stun to get off a positional, but other than that... really kinda useless. To be fair, though, there aren't many bosses at end game that need to be stunned, so it's not the biggest issue but I don't think anyone would complain if they took away the stun.

[KuroganeAre]

Shoulder Tackle should give a GL stack.

[thunderbreak]

Shoulder Tackle's stun really is situational to begin with. You'd need to be in a situation where nobody can stun something that's being cast and you're 10 yalms away for some reason, which is pretty ridiculous. I guess it's decent for approaching mobs in the open world, starting with a stun to get off a positional, but other than that... really kinda useless. To be fair, though, there aren't many bosses at end game that need to be stunned, so it's not the biggest issue but I don't think anyone would complain if they took away the stun.

Shoulder Tackle is severely under used just like Shukuchi and Aether Manipulation. There are so many applications to this ability but people just don't use it often.

Shoulder Tackle should give a GL stack.

I thought about this initially, then I can already picture a bunch of hate posts saying how OP that'll be.

[KikoriL]

I thought about this initially, then I can already picture a bunch of hate posts saying how OP that'll be.

The only thing I've ever been able to think of for a non-GCD-based stack helper would be something like "Hold your buffs at their duration until you attack or take damage" on a three minute cooldown.

[alsims2007]

I haven't cared about the stun since t5 dreads or ifrit hm. At this point there are better things to adjust. I've honestly always wished that it could be used regardless of the distance but get a potency increase if 10 yalms or more

[SpookyGhost]

Shoulder Tackle is severely under used just like Shukuchi and Aether Manipulation. There are so many applications to this ability but people just don't use it often.

I mean the stun... people use ST, Shukuchi and AM all the time...

[Cabalabob]

I feel like having to back up to use it as a stun (usually to a distance where you're out of the AoE in the first place) defeats the point of stunning. however I don't think it should be removed. Rather I think that the stun on shoulder tackle, leg sweep spineshatter dive and steel peak should be changed to a debuff called stagger that works exactly the same as stun but has a seperate resistance.

That way using these abilities won't mess with the tank's stun so they can continue to use their version to interrupt while the DD's can go wild with their off GCD abilities without annoying anyone.

[Butcherboy]

I use ST a lot in pvp situation where a healer is running and about to cast heal boom ST stun dead healer

[Fatshine]

Shoulder Tackle is severely under used just like Shukuchi and Aether Manipulation. There are so many applications to this ability but people just don't use it often.

Yeah they are underused, by bad Ninjas and Blackmages.