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  1. #1431
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    DarkChild's Avatar
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    Red Aurora
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 52
    Just now in Sastasha I was trying to help out by marking targets because nobody else was. The Tank then puts a mark on my head as a target to ignore. So I let the tank die to a trash mob. When he came back I marked him as a target to ignore but I continued to heal and play properly. At the boss he started marking me with target to attack / bind etc. Just being a douche in general. I'm new to this. Its my first MMO and I read on this forum that targets should be marked so why was he acting like that?
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  2. #1432
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    Eye_Gore's Avatar
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    Yolanda Freebush
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkChild View Post
    Its my first MMO and I read on this forum that targets should be marked so why was he acting like that?
    I think part of the problem is the state of the game and the gear people have. Even with level synch high ilvl players will steamroll a dungeon. Many of them this is probably the umpteenth time they have run the dungeon and are only there for dailies.

    Marking wastes time to them as they want to be over with the dungeon asap. Many will also believe that others should know the dungeon so well by now that it can be done blindfolded.Even dungeons like Stone Vigil and Quarn that have mobs where a specific enemy should die first isn't really needed anymore as the party will easily defeat the mob anyways. I don't mark anything unless its a large open room with multiple mobs. I have only been asked once to mark a targets, and it was from a first timer. I think most people will just watch what the tank attacks first (some don't even wait for that) then just work down the line from there.

    People tend to leave out any opening statements, comments, or suggestions at the start of the dungeon. Pug groups in the DF are the worse when it comes to communication. Almost non-existant.
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  3. #1433
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    TruebladeNuke's Avatar
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    Felicia Meracle
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Eye_Gore View Post
    Pug groups in the DF are the worse when it comes to communication. Almost non-existant.
    Personally, I feel this is made worse by the fact that save for Expert and High level duty roulettes, you're generally FORCED to work with a PUG just to get your dailys in. SE should seriously change that to allow people to enter with pre-made parties for all duty roulettes IMO.

    That said, if I'm ever Tanking a dungeon and the Healer and DPS want me to mark targets I will. I used to do it all the time. I only stopped because most people I work with these days generally just pay attention to what I attack first and go with that. Personally, I don't know why it's so hard for other Tank players I meet in dungeons to have a shred of decency to their manners. You get no where by being a jerk to your party members. TV Tropes even warns readers of this.

    I have my own healer horror stories to share, but... word count limit.
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    Last edited by TruebladeNuke; 02-09-2015 at 02:58 AM.

  4. #1434
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    Raji_Lev's Avatar
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    Raji Skybrand
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Generally, when I tank low-level dungeons, I'll just quickly throw a <1> over whatever target I'm attacking at the moment, particularly if we got the "One or more party members are new" message and/or I'm seeing class icons in the party list.

    You get no where by being a jerk to your party members. TV Tropes even warns readers of this.
    This, so very much. Honestly, it's just not worth the time and energy to be a jerkbag, and you don't get anything from it other than the momentary satisfaction of having made your datacenter a slightly shittier place to be anyways (which, sadly, for some people, is enough). </preachmode>

    (also, TVTROPES WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE!)
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  5. #1435
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    Werhusky's Avatar
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    Nazreen Eby
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 70
    The Horror to heal is Angra Mainu WoD first boss if people as always ignore the Mortal Gaze Mechanic (ignore I say because i explain to party and alliance and they still die over n over n over.....) and you just play raising machine and then the few dps alive even ignore adds so your raises get interupted over n over n over........!!!!
    Its not that I had already 4-5 wipes at this boss in like 15 runs where I as healer was the last to stand and get pretty pissed when those that caused the wipe ragequit >.<
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  6. #1436
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkChild View Post
    Just now in Sastasha I was trying to help out by marking targets because nobody else was. The Tank then puts a mark on my head as a target to ignore. So I let the tank die to a trash mob. When he came back I marked him as a target to ignore but I continued to heal and play properly. At the boss he started marking me with target to attack / bind etc. Just being a douche in general. I'm new to this. Its my first MMO and I read on this forum that targets should be marked so why was he acting like that?
    Marking is not a common thing with experienced players unless there is a particularly important mechanic (e.g. the tank might mark hornets in Qarn to remind the PUG DPS to deal with them before they use their tank-buster attack).

    Generally the tank will mark mobs if anyone does since they're prepared to hold aggro on that mob vs. single target DPS. In AoE situations, marks are largely irrelevant, anyway.

    Edit: To be clear, players are generally expected to follow common sense guidelines such as focusing on the same mob together unless there is a reason not to (e.g. using the first mob to die as your targeted AoE anchor or SCH/SMN disease vector isn't a great idea). Marks usually go up when players obviously aren't doing it right.
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    Last edited by Cynfael; 02-09-2015 at 11:21 PM.

  7. #1437
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    aisustrong's Avatar
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    limsa
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    Aisu Strong
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    aurum vale last night
    helping this bard on my server, his first class

    so I decide to do it as whm

    get a pld(50) and monk(47)

    pld forgot oath for the first pull
    monk kept pulling extra mobs, and waking up everything that I slept
    3 wipes, on trash
    get to first boss and went smoothly

    second section,pld tries to go slow, monk pulls half the room
    so at this point, I never heal him again
    manage to keep pld alive and he manages to pull the mobs of monk before he dies
    same thing with the other half of the room

    we get to second boss and I stone skin everyone but monk
    forgot he did glower, got hit, and then pld turns him on me, gets me cleaved and I die: wipe

    monk starts bitching to me about not getting heals
    I told him I'm not gonna heal him anymore because he kept pulling everything
    he was like "oh you're one of those who would rather bring the party down" then resorted to name calling
    someone started a vote kick, he said the pulls were an accident, before I could finish typing "accident, that's why it happened in literally every room", he was kicked
    tank leaves

    nin joins, and eventually war joins
    finish dungeon with no issues
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  8. #1438
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    Kael_Raiju's Avatar
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    Kal- El'
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    Hyperion
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    WHM & SCH. "SHIVA EX FARM" ... Warrior Tank... Doesn't dodge & can't hold hate on adds = not a farm.... PF group over.
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  9. #1439
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    FranSeara's Avatar
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    Fran Seara
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    Ultros
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Anytime I run any low lv DFs now. Many tanks just cant hold hate and my poor EOS takes a beating.
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    Last edited by FranSeara; 02-10-2015 at 05:44 AM.

  10. #1440
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    Ashkendor's Avatar
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke View Post
    SE should seriously change that to allow people to enter with pre-made parties for all duty roulettes IMO.
    That would completely defeat the purpose of the low level, trial, and story roulettes.

    I have my own healer horror stories to share, but... word count limit.
    You can edit your posts to bypass the character limit.

    Quote Originally Posted by FranSeara View Post
    Anytime I run any low lv DFs now. Mnay tanks just cant hold hate and my poor EOS takes a beating.
    Man, Eos tanks like a champ. When I was farming light on SCH, I'd use her to tank the adds in Garuda HM. Fey Illumination > Whispering Dawn > Place her across the room, keep Sustain up and heal her if needed.
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