Change default to make it so bosses can't be pulled during cutscenes

[Aatrox]

See, while something really needs to be done, removing them from roulette would actually make it WORSE because then nobody would ever be able to find a party for it.

[Eloah]

And Eloah, you deserve commendations!

Thank you, but I think all of us who defend a new players right to experience the game, cutscenes and all deserve a commendation. It's like most people forget that at one point they were new too. Also, I got a response from the support desk and hopefully something will be done.

[Eloah]

It could be that Japanese players are much different in this regard, it seems that most players at least in NA, not sure about other regions, seem to be on the impatient side and want to speed through everything.

I actually lived in Japan for about a year, and can say, from my own experience, as well as other peoples, Japanese or otherwise, that it's not so much lack of impatience it a sense of respect for the whole. What I mean is, in America, and I assume most other European based countries, we are more focused on the individual, usually ourselves, and if we are having a good time then we sorta don't care about anyone else. Whereas in Japan they focus on the group, and try to have everyone enjoy themselves equally; "we win as a group, lose as a group" mentallity, nothing like the "it's your fault we lost" mentality.

[Lainmyst]

I actually lived in Japan for about a year, and can say, from my own experience, as well as other peoples, Japanese or otherwise, that it's not so much lack of impatience it a sense of respect for the whole. What I mean is, in America, and I assume most other European based countries, we are more focused on the individual, usually ourselves, and if we are having a good time then we sorta don't care about anyone else. Whereas in Japan they focus on the group, and try to have everyone enjoy themselves equally; "we win as a group, lose as a group" mentallity, nothing like the "it's your fault we lost" mentality.

Thanks for your update, from my knowledge of Japanese, and Asian culture in general what you say is very true. I can understand that SE had no idea the cuteness we are talking about here would cause so much division among players, I do hope they find a good way to address this.

[Lainmyst]

See, while something really needs to be done, removing them from roulette would actually make it WORSE because then nobody would ever be able to find a party for it.

Depends how it is done, they have been around long before there was a roulette, However unless someone can get a party of 8 to help from their FC it could be tough, unless there were an incentive. Perhaps giving a bonus for those who are helping that have done it before, providing they don't lock out anyone from a boss while watching a cutscene. There are many creative ideas I am sure the Devs could come up with.

[Lainmyst]

I definitely think SE needs to do something to make cutscenes more integral to the game. I am tired of this new breed of gamers who refuse to read a thing and complain when they can't skip a cutscene. You might as well listen to music and ignore all the words.

It's funny you post this, I was in the new boss fight with Gilgamesh for the first time, the cut scene when he changes to his true form isn't that long and yet a party member got angry that anyone was watching it! These people not only have no patience but don't care about any story at all.

[fixitfelix]

One method is to remove the "cut-scene" but have the story be told through the environment. Or natural barriers such as running a long gantry while watching a scene unfold to your right or left with a NPC conveying what is going on. As you head to the boss or kill trash you can visually be interactive with the story.

Cut-scenes have their place in the game, CM and praetorium much of it could have been removed and placed as sub-text during an encounter. Most cut-scenes is of you standing and doing nothing, which really doesn't convey the importance of what your doing. Moving to your objective while under attack and having the story unfold as you fight your way through shows the importance. Cut-scenes have static view points, environmental allows different perspectives each time you go into the instance. This caters to both new and repeats alike to the encounter, new being able to take in the story, and repeats running to get their bonus. I hope to see this in the expansion.

[Anna_Lannis]

^ this. Yeah that sounds a lot like a World of Warcraft instance. Those were actually fun.

[Deifact]

They just made a big mistake with the inclusion of such long (and largely pointless) cutscenes in the story dungeons (the earlier ones anyway, the later ones they obviously learnt it was an issue). Forcing people to watch the CS (or wait for others to) will just result in no one doing roulette for main scenario, which will mean newbies won't be able to progress. Best advice I would give, and i did this myself, is to watch the cutscenes and don't worry about the fights your first time. Then when you run it again, skip the cutscenes, and piece it all together yourself. You will one day be one of the people getting annoyed if you were forced to watch cutscenes (because you watch it once, and then never again, but would still have to wait around for others to).

[Lainmyst]

I keep hearing that the cutscenes that were in CM and Paetro, were a mistake. As was stated earlier in this thread, I believe that SE hadn't realized that the west had a very different take on this kind of thing. We are more individualistic and probably more impatient then the Japanese are. That said I got to be in a party 2 times that wanted to experience all the cutscenes, it was amazing and no one was locked out of a boss, we all had a great time! This was not a mistake on SE's part at all it is just a sad reality that many gamers here in the west are always in a hurry for everything. I believe this thread was focused on giving SE ideas for making the experience for new players that would enjoy those cut scenes a way to view them as intended and not forced to either not take part in the boss fights or watch them on You Tube or the Inn.