Thanks for nothing SE on 3 star crafting!

[Iveriad]

A buffed bb on normal with 11iq and all hasty touches landing on normal give u 20% quality.

You need rng to gain more quality. It's impossible for bb landing on normal to reach 60%

Base control 407.

I tested on the website, it will only reach 20% if you use NQ mats.
If you use HQ 2 star token, you will get 1494 starting quality, thus 60% (in example below, it lands at 64%) is reachable with buffed BB on Normal condition.
http://link.ffxivcrafter.com/?id=cbdj4
So, it's not impossible at all actually.

I don't ever use NQ mats when I'm attempting to make HQ 3 Star Token.

[scarebearz]

stop throwing random comments without proof.

You keep talking about 407 base control, where is this magic number of yours coming from?

You don't need that much control to make these, they are 3* not 4* and can be made with 374+ control, so who is the one coming up with random non sense comments?

I unlocked my first couple of crafts without the artisans offhands etc, using pre-2.4 stats and fc buffs, so a fair bit less than 407 control, if that's not proof enough that I know what I'm talking about, I don't know what is :P

[scarebearz]

Well you wanted proof, so here you go:

This was done using Supra and 412 control, easily obtainable stats and not even using fc buff.

Also note this was my First Try.

Before BB:



After BB (85%):



Finshed Craft (HQ):



I also had 10 dura spare when I finished.

[Empty-handed]

Well you wanted proof, so here you go:

This was done using Supra and 412 control, easily obtainable stats and not even using fc buff.

Also note this was my First Try.

Before BB:


After BB (85%):


Finshed Craft (HQ):


I also had 10 dura spare when I finished.

wow amazing crafting skills. you proved me wrong

i didnt know that you unlocked all books without the offhand and such. thank you for telling me. and letting everyone else know <3

[scarebearz]

wow amazing crafting skills. you proved me wrong

i didnt know that you unlocked all books without the offhand and such. thank you for telling me. and letting everyone else know <3

^^

It is still dependant on RNG, like you said, but with practice (and actually by adding more RNG based skills/decisions), you can lower the RNG's impact, if that makes any sense. I.e. greater risk - greater reward and ofc can still Reclaim if needed.

I did use the new offhands for some of my crafts (as it does make it easier), but in that first day it took a while to get all the sealants to craft them all and I was in a rush! xD

You pretty much need the new offhands in order to actually make 4* items, so really no reason not to use one these days when unlocking the master 2 books.

[giantslayer]

with base control 407, sorry its not possible to get a "buffed" BB to go above 60% or let alone reach 50% if it lands on normal. again. you need some serious RNG in your side prior to landing BB.

Actually, it is. I have done it several times with my control in the 390s. The difference between having 30% or 70% after hitting BB on normal is how many touches you got in above the 10 you need for IQ. BB with GS is worth 6 hasty touches, so 13 total touches with normal BB is just as good as 10 touches with good condition BB.

[Ooshima]

^^

It is still dependant on RNG, like you said, but with practice (and actually by adding more RNG based skills/decisions), you can lower the RNG's impact, if that makes any sense. I.e. greater risk - greater reward and ofc can still Reclaim if needed.

I did use the new offhands for some of my crafts (as it does make it easier), but in that first day it took a while to get all the sealants to craft them all and I was in a rush! xD

You pretty much need the new offhands in order to actually make 4* items, so really no reason not to use one these days when unlocking the master 2 books.

I suppose you used 3 Rapid Synthesis and Byregot without SH?

[scarebearz]

I suppose you used 3 Rapid Synthesis and Byregot without SH?

I used 1 PBP and some rapid synth yeah. Had been some time since I did one of these tokens, so for progress had to guess a bit xD

For this craft I did use BB without steady hands, not something i'd be keen to do on a real craft (4* i110 ect), but for these I think the risk is sometimes worth having to do that. Also the main point was just to prove that you dont *need* good/excellent in order to get a decent enough finishing %. Never had all that many ToT, so I needed to save that CP in order to fully buff my BB ^^

[Ooshima]

I used 1 PBP and some rapid synth yeah. Had been some time since I did one of these tokens, so for progress had to guess a bit xD

For this craft I did use BB without steady hands, not something i'd be keen to do on a real craft (4* i110 ect), but for these I think the risk is sometimes worth having to do that. Also the main point was just to prove that you dont *need* good/excellent in order to get a decent enough finishing %. Never had all that many ToT, so I needed to save that CP in order to fully buff my BB ^^

http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbdlp

I tried to reverse engineer what you did as per the screenshot, using the number of steps, CP left and buffs used at the final moments as a guideline. The simulator assumes that everything is 100% success rate and every touch is assumed to hit on normal, which is something to note, and the end result is 54% HQ rate @ 6816 Quality. Assuming that indeed none of the Rapid Synthesis and Hasty Touches failed, it still require a hit on Excellent somewhere in the line (probably mid to later touches) to reach that 8006 final quality (quick ref: your before BB quality is 4971, while on simulator it is 3768).

It is also further noted that this specific example craft would have a 50% failure rate, if not for that ToT proc right after BB for you to have enough CP for a SHII to boost that Rapid Synthesis finishing (which I took into account and did the same in the simulator: ending with 9CP VS your 11CP left after RS). At the same time, 3CZ and 10ToT procs are required if following the steps engineered from the simulator.

I am not sure how correct the simulator is in reflecting this specific run of yours, but it has been make to be as accurate as possible with the total # of steps taken, durability left and the buffs and finishing moves at the end, the amount of risk taken here is really high.

Meanwhile I was the more conservative crafter who baits for a good/excellent Byregot with 10/11IQ or bails with Reclaim I can still recall the amount of headbanging to unlock my WVR/LTW 4* books on day one to churn out the goods for good gil X__X

[scarebearz]

Stuff about crafting simulators

I don't have a clue when I comes to crafting simulators, I never use them, nor do I trust that kind of thing, hence I logged and made one of these to provide actual proof.

There was atleast 1 hasty fail, maybe more, can't honestly remember. It was a reasonable run RNG wise (as is always needed to HQ one of these), but certianly nothing special.

The Good after BB did help, but it would not have been a 50% chance to succeed, it would have been a lot higher. I had 20 Dura to finish and needed 1 RS 2 50% chances. BB was hit on Normal, so the chance for Good was always there and the chance for a good after the first RS (if it failed on 50%) was also there. So it's a lot higher than 50% likely, probably more like 80%+.

That said, I was literally just being lazy using RS to finish anyway, CS2 x2 would have finished the craft...

Again, not ideal for this craft I agree, but that was not the point, I did not care about finishing this craft (discarded the HQ item anyway), I was just showing that Good/Excellent was not needed on a buffed 11 stack BB to get over 60%. (Did this many times when unlocking the 8 books)

Sometimes on these crafts it is better to leave yourself only 10 dura and use that extra hasty, then finish using SH2 buffed RS. Sure it's only 80% chance, but with the crafts thats not so bad.

There is also a small chance you don't lose mats without using Reclaim, though I'm not sure what % this is.

On day one, I expected these to be needed (the early patch notes), so I already had 10 of each of the sub mats HQ, a lot of fieldcraft III's and some thought into how I'd HQ them.