Bard : Are there Diminishing Returns on the Crit Stat?

[Dervy]

The point of the model isn't really to gauge accurate DPS measurements, but rather to get an estimated average DPS to calculate statweights. If you remove the (1+0.1*20/80) from the equation, the weights will all remain the same. Model is only there to get stat-weights and aid gear selection, nothing more really.

The only difference is the Hawkes Eye Buff which is a direct influence on Dexterity. That for sure, will affect the weights.

If you wanted to get a much more realistic DPS number, then you'd need to actually make a fully working simulator which can simulate DoT fall offs, optimal cooldown usage and whatnot. The weightings will not change however. (Except for the Warrior)

[Sessurea]

My mind is blown.

[Ooshima]

40%+ every encounter is a bit sketchy, unless you're blessed with god-like luck, but yeah, that Crit% range is beyond reasonable.

No, just no. 40-50% encounter crit is perfectly achievable right now for BRDs with melds that becomes BiS.

I can't show you the specifications, because I shown it recently in an exchange with other BRDs just 2 weeks ago and I got a 10 days ban from the mods for doing so.

But you can simply ask any BRD who have a reasonable over 600 critical hit to parse, they can tell you the answer.

The current set I have created after considering the stat weights allows a BRD to stack 699 crit and 363 det @ IL121

[Dervy]

40%+ for the persons Critical Hit Rating is sketchy, is what I said. You just took my quote completely out of context.

[Ooshima]

I don't get what you mean.

[Dervy]

A player who has 590ish Critical Hit Rating should not be doing 40%+ Critical Chance every encounter without insane luck because that strays too far from his average Crit Chance.

Of course if a player has 699 Critical Hit Rating like yourself, they'd be able to reach 50% Crit Chance.

That's why I said you took what I said out of context. I wasn't talking about a player with very high Critical Hit Rating.

EDIT: btw ooshima, how did you calculate your gear choices? through stat-weights I assume? If so, you might of actually gimped yourself with all of those melds

[Sessurea]

I guess I should replace that ironworks hat already......

[Ooshima]

snip

Ok, I got what you meant.

Anyways, yes they are primary guided by stat weights but of course I run through tests through them. I've compared it with pre-2.5 configurations and other popular in-between compromise configs over a series of parses (a lot of runs, over a couple of days).

BRDs works differently from other DPS jobs because of their significantly lower WD. You will notice that for melees, the sec stat weights hover around 0.2-ish range compared to BRD's 0.33-ish range. As such for every sec stat increased in a melee, the increase in DPS is much more tangible compared to BRDs.

Furthermore, BRDs DPS are pre-dominatly critical hit based with BL procs. Because we have a lower WD, each loss in DEX is not that significant compared to in a melee, and a couple of more crit shots landed would cover up or even overcompensate the drop in average per dmg per hit and thus a DPS increase.

I currently lack the Dreadwrym Bow, Dreadwyrm Pants and the Dreadwyrm Bracelet to reach my desired configuration settings, but parse runs have shown that with current settings, 7-8 out of 10 runs, the Patch 2.5 config will outparse any other options available because of the sheer amount of critical hit landed and BL procs.

[Dervy]

but of course I run through tests through them.

That's what I was about to say next. One thing to consider is that stat-weights get significantly less accurate the further you get from the calculated baseline, which is a mistake I did back when I making BiS gear-sets which included i110 Accessories for the Dragoon. I completely forgot about that one little important piece of information. That's why whenever I create gear-sets, I calculate the weighting first, then I run it in my model which I used to calculate stat-weights and verify that the DPS increases are consistent.

But I see you already know you're stuff. Carry on good sir!