there's a lot of sensitive people in this game

[VanilleFang]

I'm confused by all these healers who are against DPSing, or who are plain lazy. If you want your duty to be over quicker than DPS... I don't see how this thread could even go on for this long. You all can't seriously think WHM has Stone II and Aero only for soloing. Jesus.

[LionKing]

The problem is not we are against DpSing in Duns, the problem lies on people what so-called Healer standards whilst conveniently ignoring that we might or might not be comfortable multi-tasking, just because X can do Z while healing, that means ALL Healers out there HAVE TO or EXPECT to do Z while Healing. As long as people don't expect us to do Z BY DEFAULT, this conversation does not have to go this long. JESUS. ..

You all can't seriously think players all around the world plays under the same conditions and equally skilled, right?

[Ninjasmine]

Lol, sometime I don't feel like DPSing because I'm lazy and no other class is required to give 110% for even trash content. As a DPS I can 1-2-3 old EZ mode content while being overgeared and NO ONE will say anything about it. As a tank I can gain enmity and then afk for these same EZ mode dungeons, but you assholes expect me to heal these people while also over contributing to this dungeon. Sounds legit. "Everyone take a break except YOU healer!"

If it's a raid or expert roulette(which are also ez mode because according to the ilvl we're still overleveling them), then no shit, everyone gives coil and other end game stuff 100%+ because if they don't they get called out for having low deeps, or crappy tanking, or bad healing. Things like Odin at less than 15%? Then yeah, because by that time Odin isn't DOING anything to cause damage, so everyone can contribute. Same with the end of Thornmarch EX; literally no danger of spike damage because a wipe move is coming. Common sense = everyone attacks during that point. Heck, even stuff like WoD you can throw attacks in if you want because it's comparatively less healing work than say Odin during bleed phase or solo tanking Shiva during mob phase(of which you could very carefully time your attacks).

But other than common sense notions, all of you 'dps heals best heals' is pointless because I'm sure when going into t13(or any new raid) for the first time you're not expecting your healers to pull out dps when you don't know the fight yourselves.

[DreamWeaver]

A WHM/SCH that only heals is a good/bad player ---> Entirely Subjective.

A WHM/SCH that only heals is a worse player than a WHM/SCH that heals effectively and contributes to DPS when both are thrown in the same condition---> Factually Objective.

Fixed slightly for Wildsprite's counter below.

It should be a given that when two things are compared to each other, all other variables must be static, but since Wildsprite brought it up, I'll just add in the additional "in the same situation/condition" statement I guess.

[Wildsprite]

A WHM/SCH that only heals is a good/bad player ---> Entirely Subjective.

A WHM/SCH that only heals is a worse player than a WHM/SCH that heals effectively and contributes to DPS ---> Factually Objective.

sorry but no, whether they should just heal or also DPS depends on several things. one of them is gear, another is comfort. another still is how much damage the others in the party are taking. I have been in situations where I couldnt stop to DPS due to to the others in party having subpar gear for the duty.

[Zoralink]

Good lord, the fact the conversation about this is still going.... I don't even know what to say.

No one is arguing that there are not extenuating circumstances that can prevent a healer from DPSing. But if a healer is capable of DPSing, even if they are uncomfortable with it, and they actively choose not to, they are objectively a worse player than one who chooses to DPS rather than sit there with their thumb up their ass.

Fascinating, you are mentally disabled, play with 950 ping from Rwanda, and have a dying puppy slumped across your keyboard. You are not the target when people say that it is unfair to the group to not DPS when you are more than capable due to having a divine seal'd regen/roused fairy healing the tank who is taking very light hits.

As long as people don't expect us to do Z BY DEFAULT, this conversation does not have to go this long. JESUS. ..

It is not a 100% expectation from every healer, but it is something that you should aspire to be capable of and attempt to do if at all possible. That is all people are saying. Stop getting your panties in a bunch and taking it as a personal offense because people expect people to attempt to play their jobs better when possible. You do not have to be perfect, but you can still try to do better. You are willfully doing yourself and the people you group with a disservice if you actively choose to remain an objectively worse player by not DPSing when at all possible.

/rant.

[Roris]

If it's someone's very first time then sure, stick to heals only I guess, even though new dungeons never really need super fast healing. Personally I always Cleric Stance for dungeon bosses even on fresh stuff and it always goes well. If it's your fifth time doing content and you still aren't comfortable with DPSing or you're just lazy, then yeah, you're really lazy.

I don't really pay that much attention anyway, at least I never actually and obsessively look to see if a healer is casting a damage spell because I'm either punching or tanking, but it is pretty noticeable when a healer is both healing and doing damage and does both things well. Healing outside of Coil isn't really that hard at all either and there's plenty of time to do damage, Cleric Stance or not, especially as a Scholar, of course as long as people aren't getting hit by things they can actually avoid. You can't really expect much from most players in this game really, including me. Always expect everyone to be the lowest common denominator until proven otherwise, especially me, because when I screw up I screw up hard.

[Ahmbor]

this thread and the dpsing healers

[Naliee]

Medica 2 and Regen. Basically can get away with only having these two skills on your bar for a lot of things. They also cost quite a good amount of MP so you look like you doin stuff. Hue.

I'm not sure what you mean with this, just having them on your bar or/and using them in a fight? I think it's given to give tank Regen but Medica 2? It always makes me wanna facepalm myself when I see WHM use Medica 2 at the start of fight OR when it's not needed at all. Just because it draws hate and then they start running around like headless chicken.

[Kiroh]

I'm not sure what you mean with this, just having them on your bar or/and using them in a fight? I think it's given to give tank Regen but Medica 2? It always makes me wanna facepalm myself when I see WHM use Medica 2 at the start of fight OR when it's not needed at all. Just because it draws hate and then they start running around like headless chicken.

What they mean is that with a single Divine Seal, Med2 and regen (and E4E ofc) you can Shroud, cleric and presence of mind a whole lot of holy before you have to heal again in most situations.