I think its time BRD get some loving

[Snugglebutt]

Decreasing the damage debuff from songs is very much so a buff. A buff is anything anychanges that makes your class perform better, whether it's through a direct damage increase or removal/decrease of certain penalties.

To buff a debuff means boosting/increasing the 'negative' consequences of that debuff if want to get deeper into the semantics and logic of it. To boost the the positive without increasing the negative such buffs would have to be applied to a baseline and not a debuff. To buff is to increase or to enhance, when applied to a negative it increases that negativity. Which was my earlier point which I was trying to make.

[PArcher]

To buff a debuff means boosting/increasing the 'negative' consequences of that debuff if want to get deeper into the semantics and logic of the term.

Except you're not buffing the debuff here, you're buffing the class...

[Snugglebutt]

Except you're not buffing the debuff here, you're buffing the class...

I am talking about the debuff on the skills. You can decrease that debuff, you can remove that debuff but to buff that debuff would be to increase the negative consequences of it. Which is why I made the distinction of saying I am not asking for a buff, I am asking to decrease or remove the debuff.

[Dwill]

To buff a debuff means boosting/increasing the 'negative' consequences of that debuff if want to get deeper into the semantics and logic of it. To boost the the positive without increasing the negative such buffs would have to be applied to a baseline and not a debuff. To buff is to increase or to enhance, when applied to a negative it increases that negativity. Which was my earlier point which I was trying to make.

You're arguing semantics while not even understanding your own logic in the process (Buffing a debuff means making the debuff worse...what?). Any change to your class that makes it perform better is a buff and that's not a matter of opinion, that's a fact.

I won't even bother with the rest of your post concerning balance as they show a total lack of basic understanding of how actual balance happen in MMO.