Unfun fact: PSN is always down. EVERY. DAMN. DAY.

[raelgun]

However, as someone who spends about 60 % of their waking/working hours working on a PC in one way or another, I have to say that the console is easier. It just is.

The problem with this statement is, you look for the problems as part of your working hours, as opposed to casually using it in spare time, this is the difference, you will find the same issue with people who have to sort out consoles, they can say the same thing that it is more problematic prone cos their job is to look for it.

Negligence is rarely admitted to but this is the common case, this doesnt mean pc is easier to break, it just means people are more harsh and look after consoles more despite sometimes the budget difference.

[Lexia]

All I see is a bunch of PC master race people thinking they are superior, a console life span is what like 10 years? Day 1 you pop in a game and play it no problems, year 8 you can still pop in the latest game and play it no problems. Now you can buy brand new computer today and play all your glorious games at max settings but what about 5, 6, 8 years from now? To continue playing at max settings you most likely have to upgrade your system or buy completely new one. You going to be pouring a lot more money into a PC to play the latest games then you do for a console which is why lot of people prefer it. Also this whole topic is about not being able to get on PSN to play one game FFXIV not other games which I quote from earlier post

... you saying they should buy a new computer for the sole purpose to play XIV on?

[Kosmos992k]

Negligence is rarely admitted to but this is the common case, this doesnt mean pc is easier to break, it just means people are more harsh and look after consoles more despite sometimes the budget difference.

A PC is a far more open system compared to a console, there is far more scope for user action to result in problems on a PC than on a console.

This is a pointless argument, for you a PC is the right solution, it's not the right solution for others. If you choose to believe otherwise and that your solution is the 'right' one for all, so be it. No matter the merits of the discussion, you'll stick to that position making further discussion pointless.

[Elusana_Celah]

Actually us "pc master race" people are offering a valid solution. This isn't SE's problem, it's Sony's bureaucracy being pushed upon you being forced to sign into their network. If you want to use their consoles, you gotta suck it up and deal with their policies. SE has no control over what Sony is enforcing on the Playstation gamers, but if you went the route of a PC, you wouldn't have to put up with Sony's crap anymore.

I'm not interested in debating with people over 'opinions' or overly dramatic statistical data. I'm stating a simple fact. I feel for you guys but this is also why I don't buy Sony products. I know their policies suck, so I don't support them with my money. Keep giving Sony your money and you keep supporting the things you hate. Capitalism 101.

[Tiggy]

This is a pointless argument, for you a PC is the right solution, it's not the right solution for others.

My solution is the one where I can play regardless of a system maintenance unrelated to the game. The existence of this thread suggests to me it's the right solution for more than just myself. Since Sony likely won't lift the requirement to sign into their service first that leaves me with the pc.

PC Master Race.

TDLR: It's not a good solution when people are clearly complaining about it.

[Kosmos992k]

I don't buy Sony products. I know their policies suck, so I don't support them with my money.

Show me any corporation offering goods and/or services to consumers who's policies do not in fact suck. Show me a EULA that does not reserve all rights to the corporate behind it and limit almost every right of the consumer. You're being very blinkered in your view if you're not applying that same logic to damn near everything in your life.

TDLR: It's not a good solution when people are clearly complaining about it.

...because no one has *ever* complained about problems running the game on PC...right?

[Elusana_Celah]

Show me any corporation offering goods and/or services to consumers who's policies do not in fact suck. Show me a EULA that does not reserve all rights to the corporate behind it and limit almost every right of the consumer. You're being very blinkered in your view if you're not applying that same logic to damn near everything in your life.

Exactly, I choose the companies whose limitations I can tolerate. Sony is not a company with limitations that I can tolerate so my money doesn't go to them, it goes to what I can tolerate. This is the same logic if you were going to choose someone for a relationship and marriage right? No one is perfect but if you can accept their shortcomings, you can get along just fine. There's lots of corporations out there with lots of various policies, I support the ones I can deal with. This thread implies that a lot of people cannot tolerate Sony's crap so perhaps it's time to move on.

That's a straw man. A deliberate distraction from the point. It doesn't change the differences between a PC and the ps3/4 as it specifically pertains to this situation. In this situation PC does not have a limitation the PS3/4 does have and specifically one that is a policy in place by Sony. We aren't have a meta-physical debate about our socioeconomic situations in life. We are talking about the differences between two platforms for the purposes of playing this game specifically.

This too

[Tiggy]

Show me any corporation offering goods and/or services to consumers who's policies do not in fact suck. Show me a EULA that does not reserve all rights to the corporate behind it and limit almost every right of the consumer. You're being very blinkered in your view if you're not applying that same logic to damn near everything in your life.

That's a straw man. A deliberate distraction from the point. It doesn't change the differences between a PC and the ps3/4 as it specifically pertains to this situation. In this situation PC does not have a limitation the PS3/4 does have and specifically one that is a policy in place by Sony. We aren't have a meta-physical debate about our socioeconomic situations in life. We are talking about the differences between two platforms for the purposes of playing this game specifically.

[Kosmos992k]

That's a straw man.

It's a direct reply to the point raised by the other poster regarding their reasons for not using a Sony product, hardly a straw man.

If you want to limit yourself to the differences in two platforms for the purposes of playing the game, then you (and others) should limit yourselves to the external authentication mediated by PSN, and cut the PC master race crap.

[PoxyPriceless]

PSN being down every day isn't a fact. Just saying in case you want to adjust your thread title.