State Ages

[Celvantis]

Keep in mind the elezen are both the sole native people, and originally nomadic in culture.
They may well of been a nomadic group unattached to the Gelmorra that merely settled in one place founded on a myth.

[treuhavik]

Keep in mind the elezen are both the sole native people, and originally nomadic in culture.
They may well of been a nomadic group unattached to the Gelmorra that merely settled in one place founded on a myth.

Oh, no, I realize they could've been anywhere on Eorzea. It's just that Gelmorra makes the most since, as, I assume, it was where the majority of the Elezen population lived at the time.

Halone is no myth either, she's as real as those primal weapons we use. If they say she appeared to them, then I'm willing to bet she actually did (or they summoned her).

What was it that destroyed Gelmorra anyway? It could've been that all of this, Elezen faction division/Thordan's chat with Halone, happened around the same time.

[Celvantis]

I don't belive Halone literally appeared, and walked them over. I'm of the idea they used her idea, such as holy men talking in her name and making such claims as she wants this, or that or was even a idea added to the founding story years after to solidify a theocratic state.

Gelmorra wasnt destroyed but abandoned as it outlived its usefulness. Once the pact with the elementals was made it was no longer needed to live underground. The Duskwights seemed to of stayed abit longer and been abit resentful but all in all, they merely left it.

[Zohar_Lahar]

I don't belive Halone literally appeared, and walked them over. I'm of the idea they used her idea, such as holy men talking in her name and making such claims as she wants this, or that or was even a idea added to the founding story years after to solidify a theocratic state.

Gelmorra wasnt destroyed but abandoned as it outlived its usefulness. Once the pact with the elementals was made it was no longer needed to live underground. The Duskwights seemed to of stayed abit longer and been abit resentful but all in all, they merely left it.

Perhaps it was an Ascian claiming to be Halone that led Thordan's people to Abalathia's Spine.

[treuhavik]

I don't belive Halone literally appeared, and walked them over. I'm of the idea they used her idea, such as holy men talking in her name and making such claims as she wants this, or that or was even a idea added to the founding story years after to solidify a theocratic state.

Whether or not Halone literally spoke with them, I'd like to know where the Ishgardians originated. My guess is still Gelmorra.

Gelmorra wasnt destroyed but abandoned as it outlived its usefulness. Once the pact with the elementals was made it was no longer needed to live underground. The Duskwights seemed to of stayed abit longer and been abit resentful but all in all, they merely left it.

Interesting. Thanks!

I believe it's mentioned somewhere (or maybe just a long ago speculation thread) that the Elezen who did not want to make peace with the Hyur (who had recently came to Eorzea) left Gelmorra and later founded Ishgard. Funny thing about mountains and cold, people can start having visions due to the cold or lack of oxygen.

Hmmm. I guess it's possible that Hyur ventured into the shroud and were taken into Gelmorra, but is it probable? I mean, if Gridanians now are leery of outsiders because of their pact with the elementals, I can't imagine their attitude toward immigrants was any better before said pact.


Could it be that someone empowered by Halone came to Thordan, converted him and his men from their previous religion, and guided them to the Holy See? Maybe once conflict between the Ishgardians and Dravanians began, this 'Saint' "betrayed" the people she had led by consorting with their new-found enemy.

What if the Dravanians aren't as bad as they're made out to be...?

What if Ishgard fell under Ascian influence not long after it was founded, and their Saint remained pure thanks to a certain divine gift, defecting to the side of lesser evil to put an end to a senseless war?

[Enkidoh]

Keep in mind the elezen are both the sole native people, and originally nomadic in culture.
They may well of been a nomadic group unattached to the Gelmorra that merely settled in one place founded on a myth.

This isn't actually correct - none of the spoken races are truly native to Eorzea, in that they all originated elsewhere in Hydaelyn and migrated to Aldenard and Vlybrand at one time or another. The elezen were the first race to arrive though, so it's easy enough to make that mistake (there is definitely evidence to suggest that the Allag Empire was elezen, or at least predominately elezen - just look at Nael van Darnus whose family was stated as having Allag ancestry, meaning that the elezen have been in Eorzea for a very long time).

But the important thing to remember is the elezen migrated to Eorzea like the other races and were not in fact, native to the realm.