SMN redesign in expansion?

[mvenom]

I'm sure the job balance will be greatly adjusted when Heavensward is released, but do you have any jobs that you plan to adjust during the patch 2.5 series?
Y: In particular, I think we need to consider Summoner, but we're still working on the adjustments. Originally, we were planning to add new actions to Summoner with Heavensward to adjust MP consumption. However, since 3.0 is still a ways off, we're thinking about other careful adjustments. As we release each piece of content we see which jobs are too strong or not strong enough. We're also focusing on carefully adjusting things for 3.0, so we'd like to make adjustments as soon as possible, but please wait for a bit longer.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124...=1#post6333229

[Darkstride]

I've suggested very similar changes in previous threads (the multitude of them). I had suggested that Summoner just keep the Carbuncles as the actual pets while the primals (or primal likeness, not the actuak primal) are only summoned for a single ability. Enkindle could be a self buff that alters the next summon ability to change to their signature attack for heavier damage.

Primal attacks should also have some sort of interaction with the DoT nature of Arcanist spells. Carbuncle will still have Contagion, which alleviates the issue of having one summon trump the rest. Ifrit could replace Fester entirely by being a single target blast that increases in damage for every active DoT on the target. Garuda could unleash an AoE attack that temporarily lowers targets' defense against DoT damage. Leviathan could have a whirlpool effect that pulls enemies together for easier DoT spreading.

Just some thoughts ...

[Akiza]

The problem is the Summoner feels disconnected from the Arcanist because SE designed a weird combination of DoT, Channeler and Summoner together. Look at the lvl 30 job quest we channel the primal essence into the Egis by going to a place with concentrated Aether and at the same time we have a DoT posion base class we lvl to 50. The Summoner's abilities should be based around Channeling Aether and Summoning.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I wish the devs would respond, if ONLY to stop these threads from being created ad nauseam.

[mvenom]

I wish the devs would respond, if ONLY to stop these threads from being created ad nauseam.

They did reply on that interview but I guess they should send PM to every SMN out there to stop whining.

[Brianmj]

You crazy if you think they wont redesign SMN in 3.0 i just hope it still play somewhat the same just better overall.

They'd be ignoring the people that like the job as it currently is.

[Cebo]

It has been said several times now this exact same idea in the previous 100 SMN threads.

Sorry, I don't frequent the FFXIV boards enough, and didn't see any thread on a SMN redesign in the expansion in the first few pages. Most of the threads right now seem to be whining about their current DPS numbers/utility in raids, rather than discuss how the class can change in the future.

And I did see the quote from Yoshi, which is what prompted the thread. I just don't have much confidence in Square that "adjustments" to the class will be nothing more than some number tweaks. I feel the class needs a fundamental design change. Every job is getting new abilities in the expansion, but it'll be very disappointing if our new spells are just summons/pets that we don't end up using because Garuda ends up superior.

[ereskigal]

SE been getting complaints about smn from start of 2.0, it wouldn't be crazy to think a rework is coming. On Excalibur there is a woping 31 smn on atm compared to 166 blm and this is a very pack server, something is wrong and SE need to fix it right or the same problem will pop back up later on in 3.0 if they don't fix it the right way the first time, cannt realy tweek smn w/o effectiing Sch. If SE don't use 3.0 to separate smn/sch off the same class these and more problem will show up later on sch and smn share too any of the same skills.

[Meier]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124...=1#post6333229

Thanks this is what I thought...I can't seem them neglecting it lol.

So we gotta wait till 3.0...that's fine, hopefully will be worth it!

[Sen_Terrechant]

Redesign? I doubt it.

They will most likely throw in new abilities, and rebalance some old ones.