Spell request for Scholar [Dev]

[Bigcat9715]

I facepalmed so hard that my palm became my face...

So by this logic, White Mages should get:
Benediction with 3s recast
A fairy pet too
Shroud on a 1 minute recast
unavoidable DoTs
stoneskin as additional effect to Cure II

Hey, was just answering his question. He asked why should shell exist when I could just bring in a white mage. It's because I play scholar and so do alot of other people. Besides your list is a bit ridiculous.

Strangely as I run through dungeons as either dps or tank I see very few WHM, but it seems that scholar has become the norm. You could have made the argument that proshell is there to make up for the fact that scholar has pets and can place barriers on people, and white mage is just a walking first aid.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

If anything is ridiculous, it's the existence of this topic.

For starters: Any content where there is no white mage present, mainly due to 4-man content, has no significant magic damage flying around anywhere.
Additionally: If there is continuous magic damage present, Eos' Fey Covenant actually offers more magical defense than Shell does for the moment you need it.
Lastly: They're dungeons, content that has nearly no difficulty value. If you desperately -need- that magical defense effect on the tank to be able to make healing work, I simply don't know what to say.

The list I mentioned may be ridiculous, but it's in line with your way of thinking: If there's no scholar for dungeons

[Bigcat9715]

For starters: Any content where there is no white mage present, mainly due to 4-man content, has no significant magic damage flying around anywhere.
Additionally: If there is continuous magic damage present, Eos' Fey Covenant actually offers more magical defense than Shell does for the moment you need it.
Lastly: They're dungeons, content that has nearly no difficulty value. If you desperately -need- that magical defense effect on the tank to be able to make healing work, I simply don't know what to say.

Fey Covenant has a short duration with a 120 cooldown time. Plus didn't I say that you can use scholar's pets as an argument as to why white mage has proshell. I believe that I said that in my last post. Your right the dungeon content isn't hard I was making more of an suggestion rather then a request(should really change the title). If this topic is so ridiculous why are you even here?

[VanilleFang]

Strangely as I run through dungeons as either dps or tank I see very few WHM, but it seems that scholar has become the norm. You could have made the argument that proshell is there to make up for the fact that scholar has pets and can place barriers on people, and white mage is just a walking first aid.

What game are you playing? I EASILY see that about 75% of the healers are WHM. Run Alliance Raids, you'll rarely see more SCHs then WHMs(You usually see 4 WHMs or at least I do) I can't see how anyone can say that SCH has become the "norm". There may be more SCHs going into dungeons currently but that's because Dungeons are easy and SCHs make them even easier (unless its a Speedrun dungeon, then
WHM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SCH) by basically just being another DPS with a heal bot. Besides, Magic Defense isn't needed in dungeons, usually.

I main SCH and this is one of the silliest things I've ever read suggested for a SCH. Not only is it a huge balance issue, it is not needed and you have no REAL reason you think it should be in the game.

Side: You obviously know nothing about a WHM if you call them a "walking first aid".

Snip.

I love you.


On the topic of Macros: other than allowing me to cast E4E and Virus on my designated target while targeting the boss(mob)/Tank, a Rez macro, and having a Rouse>Fey Illumination>Whispering Dawn macro, I don't see how macros are THAT useful for a SCH. I only use those, and 3 Cross hotbars and I find it easy.

[Bigcat9715]

Snip.

Explain to me how white mage isn't a first aid.
On the macro topic: I have my cross bar down to 2 hotbars thanks to macros. I have the dps hotbar and the healer hotbar.

[Risvertasashi]

Side: You obviously know nothing about a WHM if you call them a "walking first aid".

That he wants SCHs to be able to go from 30% magic damage mitigation to 40% while replacing the need for a WHM suggests to me he doesn't know SCH that well either...^^;

I can understand the desire to have a longer term buff associated with the job but I don't think Shell is the way to go. Something that complements WHM instead of trying to replace WHM would be great. (But, forum SCHs do seem to resent that WHM has a place at all...)

[Bigcat9715]

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I know how to play Sch pretty decently I believe. Well to the point where no one dies and I can dps a bit. 40% magic damage mitigation is ridiculous. I'm looking for more of a 10% then add Fey Covenant it would just make it 30%. Plus they should make it where shell and proshell can't be on the team at the same time, so if you place proshell on the team it removes shell if you place shell on the team it removes proshell. Also I love having WHM on my team when I'm raiding or doing turns, because having 1 Sch and 1 WHM makes a big difference from having 2 of the same.

[Risvertasashi]

I know how to play Sch pretty decently I believe. Well to the point where no one dies and I can dps a bit. 40% magic damage mitigation is ridiculous. I'm looking for more of a 10% then add Fey Covenant it would just make it 30%. Plus they should make it where shell and proshell can't be on the team at the same time, so if you place proshell on the team it removes shell if you place shell on the team it removes proshell. Also I love having WHM on my team when I'm raiding or doing turns, because having 1 Sch and 1 WHM makes a big difference from having 2 of the same.

Don't forget sacred soil. I understand it would be nice to have a longer term buff but SCH's short term ones already make it a very powerful mitigation job (30% magic mitigation, make that 40% if you have a WHM with you, then SCH/SMN-only virus--fever technically--further reduces the power of magic attacks. Then you have Succor to group shield people, and a group regen that's as powerful as my single target regen.). In any case, if it gets a long term buff I don't think it should replace WHM's one.