there's a lot of sensitive people in this game

[Sapphic]

How did this become an issue about someone "pushing" a healer to DPS? The dude clearly stated "holy?" once and got kicked for it. That's some high level of sensitivity right there and that's what the thread was about. He wasn't even complaining (in the game) that the healer wasn't DPSing, he only stated his piece here to expound on his story.

Yet you get players on the forums saying the "top players" aren't helping (when in fact many are, just look at all the guides on the forums) yet when they do try to help and give advice for them to improve they get abuse or ignored back. Real examples. One BLM was using Fire 1 on packs of mobs, I gave advice that Fire 2 is better for when there is more than 3 mobs, BLM thanked me and started using Fire 2. Next csae. BLM using fire 3, blizz 3, fire 3, blizz 3, repeat repeat, nothing else. Helpful advice about rotation, all I got was abuse back, saying he knew his role and that I should STFU, then he continued to insult until we had to kick even though I didn't say anything after, just shrugged and continued. Get enough of the latter and you get to point that why bother trying to help if you get idiots abusing you for it.

Showing a healer they can DPS and heal is just one thing that helps players improve in their role.

[Naliee]

I thought I regonized you from somewhere!
please don't do runs with your fc mates

[Mirakumi]

Depends how OP said it to the healer. He doesn't have a screenshot of what he said so we can't really be certain he just said, "holy?"

Not trying to be a dick, think its best to go through all PoVs.

But warranted people can be extremely sensitive in the game but like I said before, it depends on the situation. I've had my moments where I tell someone a bit of advice, and get snapped at.

Anyhow OP best thing to do is move on from it. If your on your healer, you can do the deeps. If you see a lazy healer you can just pray they aren't on your server.

I generally think if the healer keeps the PT alive and you DON'T have to abandon - it is going to be a smooth run. It may not be as fast, but at least your not abandoning at the last boss, and having to wait another hour for requeue.

[Saseal]

I'm of the stance that healers shouldn't necessarily DPS - but it would very much be appreciated... as long as they didn't tunnel vision (though I admit to doing that now and then when I'm tired or just having one of those days). Only time I highly expect it is if it's a tight DPS check - Odin's Zenkahfjkgk thing, AK HM's walls/jester boss, WoD's clouds, Chrysalis' Tear (once they realize whats going on o_O *had somehow?? gotten lost first time in even after watching vid*), etc

If I don't know the tank, I observe first before running in. If it's just two enemies, I'll conserve all that mp and just aero one and concentrate on the other. If I seem to steal aggro with the holys and it's not my friends (I admit to tearing aggro off now and then, but with friends/FC it doesn't really matter to us unless it's a huge problem), I'll keep off. Maybe plop a holy or two in for stuns or to help lower some group hp, but back off (unless I know I'm going to be eating the mob anyway, like regen on tank and spawning adds on bosses, then why not holy?). But I don't require another healer to holy on the rare occasion that I'm on dps.

When I'm on my bard - if they seem to be a WHM that is holying THEN I play Foes - not the other way around. I follow their comfort level.

If someone told me "holy?" I'd probably feel like another said - that it feels a little curt - but I wouldn't kick the person for it. Thats really over the top >.>

[Rhomagus]

it's the internet, if you're going to be that sensitive here you might as well stay in a bubble because somebody that actually wants to be mean will make it their job to annoy you or hurt your feelings which you make very easy.

From a post entitled, "there's a lot sensitive people in this game"

If you want your audience to take your claim with sufficient credibility, then you need to be one of those people who are not sensitive enough to login to an external forum and post what could, at best, be summed up as a minor inconvenience.

...this really needs to stop.

This quote is what shows you are over sensitive.

Does it really "need to stop"? Is this an epidemic about to consume us all? Are the foundations of civilization crumbling before our very eyes? Is someone going to die? Is this making the game impossible to play?

Before you answer any of those questions you should first ask what you can do to handle it yourself. At the end of the day, you are the only person you can control. If people would chose to first control themselves rather than try to control others, then this issue probably wouldn't have occurred in the first place.

The following is the best advice in the thread:

I find creating a thread about someone being over sensitive to be a little over sensitive. Sounds like you didn't miss much, just shrug your shoulders and move on. Hakuna Matata.

[Ladyaceous]

... if you're going to argue semantics...

How ironic. The op clearly outlines what they meant by what they said. You however, have decided to interpret what they said yourself. Your accusations are as follows:

In fact, there is a word for it: "curt."

Not told someone how to play their role for your own convenience. There is a line between being a senior player mentor, and being a know-it-all overbearing jerk.

You acted selfishly in a team-based activity...snip... You weren't polite, and certainly weren't being the "protagonist" you seem to be trying to portray yourself as.

No, the implication of the message was, "Your job is to Holy right now, and being that you're not, I'm getting upset." .

because he thought the right course of action was to respond with an emotionally vague one-word loaded question.

The selfish action was trying to tell the WHM to Holy, because he wanted the run to go faster. Instead of playing the game with everyone and allowing everyone to fulfill their roles how they saw fit, he wanted the run to go his way.

I mean geez. I agree people should be more polite online, BUT, that also includes people not reading into things and making assumptions about every little thing.

You say you have all this experience in mmos (which I have to assume is true), but yet you cannot even give someone the benefit of the doubt over something like this?? To me that displays a lack of experience.

If the op and you were in my party and they said what they said and you decided to make all these accusations, you would've been kicked for harassment by insulting my team and disrupting the duty by being overly dramatic and making baseless accusations you cannot verify.

You assume too much.

[Hayward]

To tell the truth, more of these professional endgamers need to be kicked from dungeons and perhaps be told to check their egos at the start screen. Some of us aren't here for your speedrunning convenience. If you have a problem with healers actually doing their jobs, I can't help you. Moreover, if you have a problem with tanks not pulling entire dungeons and actually doing THEIR jobs, I can't help you.

[Kiroh]

To tell the truth, more of these professional endgamers need to be kicked from dungeons and perhaps be told to check their egos at the start screen. Some of us aren't here for your speedrunning convenience. If you have a problem with healers actually doing their jobs, I can't help you. Moreover, if you have a problem with tanks not pulling entire dungeons and actually doing THEIR jobs, I can't help you.

Nothing in the OP said anything about speed running, he clearly stated he asked because he wanted to know whether he should spend his MP on Requiem since the WHM was the only magic damage in the group. Frankly I'm surprised he even bothered using requiem for a White Mage, no one has ever done that for me on WHM. Though with the response he got for asking I'm beginning to see why.

Also, you need to check your ego at the start screen. Not everyone is here to waste hours in a dungeon holding your hands just because you want to take it slow. Some of us aren't here to enable your laziness so you can alt+tab to netflix between cures.

Everything you said can be inverted and it's just as reasonable, people don't want to wait an hour to clear something that should take less than half that for anyone who is even half paying attention. People aren't expecting perfect 8 minute speedruns, but expecting basic competence is not the same thing as elitism. Expecting someone to use the tools they're given is not unreasonable.

Cleric Stance, Aero, Aero II, Stone II, and Holy are all innate, naturally obtained skills. Hell, even the NPCs tell you your job as a healer is to do more than just heal. If you don't want to be a healer that does more than toss a cure once in a while then this is not a game for you to play healer in.

[Sparktacus]

I love how people in this thread totally turned the OP's words upside down and made a new thread about healer dps. People really need to learn to read as that had very little to do with the topic if anything.

[LokisFire]

I'm a new player and a new 50 WHM. As in within the last few weeks new. Even running with my FC I have a little bit of performance anxiety when it comes to mechanics and doing what "I should" be doing. In PF it's much worse. As healers we are wrong no matter what we do. DPS too much? Kicked. Don't DPS enough? Kicked. One guy dies because you were two seconds late in saving him from his screw up? Kicked. (No, I'm not kicked constantly. These are just examples.)

For me personally, I would love if party members would tell me what they want ahead of time. Or politely mention something so I'm doing better. Nine times out of ten though, everyone is silent until you mess up. So I think the OP did right in trying to address the situation. Though they could have said it in a different way or at a better time like between pulls. Perhaps the healer took it as the OP being aggressive. Adding "please" would have saved the OP the boot. However asking for holy spam is not a reason to be kicked.