In-Game Parser.

[Slappah]

A wise man once told me. "Proof or it didn't happen."

Go take a look at all the players underperforming yet thinking they're the top dog.
Or how about the players who genuinely want to improve but have no way of knowing whether what they are doing is good or not..

How's that for proof.

The proof is in the community right now.

[Lycelle]

Go take a look at all the players underperforming yet thinking they're the top dog.
Or how about the players who genuinely want to improve but have no way of knowing whether what they are doing is good or not..

How's that for proof.

The proof is in the community right now.

Oh. Didn't know you were pro-parser. My bad. At least I think you are....?

[Dwill]

Yoshi-P can't protect the community from everything, and in this case it's doing more harm than good.

Edit: I didn't see you were the OP in the first place so I didn't quite grasp your stance on this but yeah, I agree with you on this.

[Able]

I have no problem with a parser that only tracks my DPS. Completely against one that tracks raid-wide DPS. The elitist segment of this community is small. But, man are they toxic. I'd never trust them with it. You guys can call me whatever you want. Idc.

[Moqi]

Please elaborate so that I may give you a proper argument. I may have misunderstood your post in it's entirety, for that I apologize.

What it boils down to is: this community has a tendency to take "neutral" things/attitudes that most raiders adapt positively and twisting them until they become a tool to discriminate players on ALL content. As it is right now, people who are looking to self improve can use parsers on their own or amongst friends. If parsers were endorsed, nothing would change for them but it would not only give toxic players another ammo, it would also have an affect on the general PF scene and people's behaviour, because bad attitudes are more easily picked up than good ones.

Is a little convenience on your positive use of parsers worth sacrificing if it prevents a lot of players from being harassed? I think so. I really don't see any gain an in game parser would bring that third party tools don't already, but there is a precedent of niche/alternative gaming aspects that have brought a slew of negative ripercussions after they became mainstream. It sounds very hipstery to say but from what I've seen it's true. Parsers are all well and good only if they stay among raiders (or anyone who is interested in bettering himself) and separate from the game.

[Faelandaea]

As it is right now, people who are looking to self improve can use parsers on their own or amongst friends. If parsers were endorsed, nothing would change for them but it would not only give toxic players another ammo, it would also have an affect on the general PF scene and people's behaviour, because bad attitudes are more easily picked up than good ones.

Exactly. Parsers shouldn't be endorsed or have an official standing with SE. I think where things stand now are perfect. We already have parsers we can use and we're happy with that - at least those of us that aren't elitist are. I really do think that the argument that parsers be endorsed as an in-game element does nothing but support an elitist group of savage attitudes, and would give too much power to harassment and undue discrimination/trolling.

[Dwill]

Exactly. Parsers shouldn't be endorsed or have an official standing with SE. I think where things stand now are perfect. We already have parsers we can use and we're happy with that - at least those of us that aren't elitist are. I really do think that the argument that parsers be endorsed as an in-game element does nothing but support an elitist group of savage attitudes, and would give too much power to harassment and undue discrimination/trolling.

Do you even know what the word elitist means ? Wanting a parser to better oneself has nothing to do with elitism. If there's anything that's bad, it's the fear mongering and the shear amount of ignorance people without the knowledge of parsers are spreading.

[Atomnium]

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So to resume, to you, the only use of party parser is to exclude and kick people from contents.
Hmmm.
That's like saying that screwdriver are only used to stab people, make sense!

I'm not here to make fun of you really but you may reconsider your opinion one day.

Meanwhile, non-official parsers are useful tools for raid progression since they keep designing tight DPS check fights.
All of this is very hypocritical to be honest, parsers are needed for a part of the community but it is like a whole "fight club rules" only.

Want to hear a funny and casual story, where an official parser would have been an useful tool?

Today I was doing my expert roulette as brd, AK-Hard, the second dps was a smn, full syrcus tower stuff.
The man managed to only spam bio II and miasma the whole run, no banes on pack of mobs, no shadow flares, no ruins, mostly doing energy drains over fester. It was a long, painful and weird run x.x.
Meanwhile, we did not kicked him but the healer and myself really tried to make him understand (in a gentle way) that his rotation was not correctly done.
But.
We did explain this in English, the guy was German and couldn't understand a single word.
IF the game had an official parser running, no matter the language, numbers are a worldwide common language.
And so, when partying with other, if your numbers are far bellow from another team mate, there is no need to be Einstein to understand that there is maybe a problem within your gameplay.

Let's be honest guys, how many BLM spamming Fire III <> blizzard III back to back did you met during your duty finder experiences and how many of them still continue to do so since nothing ingame is giving you some sort of hint.

So, do you see the potential good uses of an official parser in order to create a better playing place? Or do you still think that all scissors are used to commit murders.
I'm going to repeat myself but... Don't punish the majority just because a minority can make bad uses of a tool.

[Sunako]

I heard somewhere addons are gonna be legal 3.0 or something? After that you can freely parse your dps? Then it does not matter it is in game or not.

[Slappah]

Oh. Didn't know you were pro-parser. My bad. At least I think you are....?

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