Manipulation vs MMII

[StouterTaru]

You said you wouldn't have it as BSM due to cross class skills, what other 10 do you have?

I have no issues getting HQ mats at least 80% of the time from full NQ, that's where the mass production comes in. If you just make enough for one synth, you can get screwed over, but if you make extras you can use the NQ mats on other synths.

It's only 11 hasty touches, you forgot to add in the BB, and that's assuming you hit both RS, hence the 13 steps for 2xRS + HT.

[RiceisNice]

BSM for 3★: Manip, BB, SHII, CSII, RS, Inno, CZ, TotT, reclaim, HT.

4★, i swap out manip with PbP. I'm at enough craftsmanship that I can finish my 3★ crafts with 3 RS and 1 CSII. As far as BSM is concerned though, I only get to do high profile, non-material crafts for this (artisan tools) with a fairly diluted quality pool (cant remember but I think it was 600 for the offhand tools) that I'd want a contingency plan for it. If it was material crafting then I'd agree with you, and thats what I do; i'd delegate the NQ stuff toward furnishings or glamour crafting.

[giantslayer]

I usually look at manipulation in comparison with MM1, which costs 4 more CP. Saving 4 CP is nice and I wouldn't mind having it at my disposal, but on most classes my cross class slots have more important skills to fill.

[dspguy]

Even if you used HQ materials, if you got only one good condition the entire craft, it ain't happening.

For 4-star, my rotation can "finish" with 0 ToT and I get at least a GS+BB at the end. If I'm remembering this right, with no ToT, I wind up with 59CP with 25 durability, worst case scenario. So I can either choose to reclaim or GS+(bait)+BB. Reclaim is 90%. And depending on what my HQ% would if BB lands, 90% on that chance. With 1 ToT, I can either SH1 my BB for 100% chance to land. Or BB/Inn. And those are worst-case scenarios.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

For 4-star, my rotation can "finish" with 0 ToT and I get at least a GS+BB at the end. If I'm remembering this right, with no ToT, I wind up with 59CP with 25 durability, worst case scenario. So I can either choose to reclaim or GS+(bait)+BB. Reclaim is 90%. And depending on what my HQ% would if BB lands, 90% on that chance. With 1 ToT, I can either SH1 my BB for 100% chance to land. Or BB/Inn. And those are worst-case scenarios.

your rotation must also no include Rapid Synth to ensure this guarantee.

At any rate, I can concede Stouter's original response to mine. He would use all HQ Mats. his rotation is clearly built in a way where he will always make sure the snth is completed. By definition, this means he's focusing less on Quality than some of us. In his scenario, that's acceptable, as he stated, he will use NQ stuff on items that are easier to synth, and if he NQ's final product he Spirit Binds and converts.

It's good advice. To a certain extent, I wonder if maybe I should do the same thing. My biggest problem is that I don't have the materials to do such large quantity snthesis as he must be doing to end up ahead. I have been taking advantage of really cheap materials. It feels like people are only buing Terminus putty and Scheelite. . . the other mats of same tier are dirt cheap. The Allagan mats are also expensive on Ultros atm. So i'm buying up all the cheap mats, I'll use em when I need to. *Cough* like crafting my Lucis.

[dspguy]

your rotation must also no include Rapid Synth to ensure this guarantee.

It has RS. There are many points where I can take ToT anyway, but I like the idea of having enough CP to finish the synth regardless of the # of ToT.