Should Cleric Stance be disabled during Dungeons and Raids?

[Sapphic]

At certain points, it just gets too hectic to SS the tank when everyone's dropping to 50-25/below% hp due to AoE + floor DoT and trying to keep everyone off said floor with divined medicas/II, etc
Unfortunately, it just comes down to timing it right and not expecting anything miraculous from it (that I've witnessed)

During time when all have bleed on them, for that Sange, I just pop hallowed ground. Takes some pressure off the healers to top everyone up. Also, Adlo lovin during cast+def CD is pretty easily survived with plenty of HP, a regen during cast doesnt hurt either followed by a cure 2 to top up after. Even Bulwark for 1 as ive seen near 4k blocked, supposably it is around 8k unmitigated. But to be fair, it is copycat ability which is in many coil fights and good practice for tanks to time cooldowns and healers to prep during cast and recover after. Very usefull in FCoB.

Another note, if the OT is PLD, they have Stoneskin they can drop on the MT too ^_^ Plus Sentinel then cover if MT low HP.

[Synestr]

I DID NOT read any posts in this thread. I read the title and laughed. That is all.

[Kalut]

i dont even know why this should be considered, cleric stance offers so much more depth in scholar/whm. If you are finding it a struggle to stance dance then that just comes from a lack of understanding on how damage is spread out in instances. Also it gives healers something else to do besides over heal when there really isnt anything else to do.

[Miscreant]

This is one of the worst suggestions I have read, as you don't really do end game content anyway I don't see how Cleric Stance really affects you, the only time it's really needed is in whatever the current end game raid is, a good healer will swap to Cleric at every chance they get though.

To me the real challenge in healing comes from trying to keep the party up whilst pushing my DPS. Scholar DPS certainly isn't a waste of time either, I was third highest DPS in my WoD run last night which meant my numbers were bigger than both tanks and three actual damage dealers, the only people to die were the ones to get hit by insta-kill/avoidable mechanics too.

[Sapphic]

i dont even know why this should be considered, cleric stance offers so much more depth in scholar/whm. If you are finding it a struggle to stance dance then that just comes from a lack of understanding on how damage is spread out in instances. Also it gives healers something else to do besides over heal when there really isnt anything else to do.

Pretty much OP is saying "I don't want to fully utilize my job so no-one else should be able to either to not make me look bad".

[SekhmetM]

If the healer DPSs more than actual healing, should probably just kick them anyway. Shouldn't blame the skill, but the player.

Though, I find it pathetic that there are people who are so incompetent as dps they need their healers to dps. Really guys?

[Fated]

Though, I find it pathetic that there are people who are so incompetent as dps they need their healers to dps. Really guys?

This comment is hilarious and ironic on so many levels.

[MeiUshu]

should cleric stance be removed ? yes for those players that instead of doing or rather sharing their job prefer to simply forget what is the BASE of their job aka healing and do only dpsing finding it even normal that the other healer struggles to keep all alive in the name of* i came here to dps and I dont care of healing*attitude, for those people and I find there are always more and more around, yes it should be disabled in groups.

Otherwise, no, cleric stance is very useful, more then I can say I have use it to free someone from coneflag or in various instances especially with good tanks is just a very enjoyabl thing to do...but is all circumstancial, in my opinion.

Mei

[Sapphic]

If the healer DPSs more than actual healing, should probably just kick them anyway. Shouldn't blame the skill, but the player.

Though, I find it pathetic that there are people who are so incompetent as dps they need their healers to dps. Really guys?

You realise WHM has the most effective spammable AE spell in game? And will easily beat anyother job DPS wise on packs of trash, even beat many BLMs. If healer is DPSiing more than healing and everyone is staying alive, why would you "kick them"? I'ts not about Healers doing the job for the DPS, it's the healer utilizing the full range of their abilities to complete the duty, just like BRDs using ballads, Melee using their support abilities, tanks using defensive CDs. AE stun on a pack of mobs, means no healing during that time.

Turning your quote back on you. I find it pathetic that there are people are so incompetent as healers they need their tank to make their life easier by using all of their abilities. Don't mean that whatsoever, just turned it around as an example.

[Brightshadow]

Can this thread just stop being necrobump, I don't see a reason for it since it has 17 pages saying the same thing.

This was just a general suggestion about whether cleric stance is a hindrance or not, and obliviously most feel its not. It doesn't mean I don't dps and heal.