White Mage vs Scholar - Why is White Mage lacking?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Don't forget that shroud also increases with the level. It's not like Shroud of Saints restored 1060 MP at level 38. That was like half your MP pool back then

edit: Just did some quick testing through level sync just in case.

Shroud at level 50 would give you 212 MP/3 seconds or 1060mp over a period of 15 seconds
Shroud at level 41 gave me 92 mp/3 seconds or 460 MP over a period over 15 seconds

[NorthernLadMSP]

That must have been a server thing, been on a NA server since launch and never seen people look for two sch, people always wanted one of each.

Been on NA servers for over a year now, and I've also never seen parties that only wanted two SCH, ever.

[Kelya]

Don't forget that shroud also increases with the level. It's not like Shroud of Saints restored 1060 MP at level 38. That was like half your MP pool back then

edit: Just did some quick testing through level sync just in case.

Shroud at level 50 would give you 212 MP/3 seconds or 1060mp over a period of 15 seconds
Shroud at level 41 gave me 92 mp/3 seconds or 460 MP over a period over 15 seconds

Thanks for that. I think it has already been discussed months ago but a little reminder does not hurt!

That's solving the hypothetical issue then.

[Cynfael]

Don't forget that shroud also increases with the level. It's not like Shroud of Saints restored 1060 MP at level 38. That was like half your MP pool back then

edit: Just did some quick testing through level sync just in case.

Shroud at level 50 would give you 212 MP/3 seconds or 1060mp over a period of 15 seconds
Shroud at level 41 gave me 92 mp/3 seconds or 460 MP over a period over 15 seconds

Good point. If Shroud scales appropriately on its own, there'll be no need for concern.

[Ghishlain]

Don't forget that shroud also increases with the level. It's not like Shroud of Saints restored 1060 MP at level 38. That was like half your MP pool back then

edit: Just did some quick testing through level sync just in case.

Shroud at level 50 would give you 212 MP/3 seconds or 1060mp over a period of 15 seconds
Shroud at level 41 gave me 92 mp/3 seconds or 460 MP over a period over 15 seconds

You might need to extend this test further. Since you get Enhanced Shroud of Saints at 48, it might be the same MP restored at every level until 48 where it gets the potency buff.

One more data point will be all you need to prove if the above is true or false though, so at least it's a simple test.

If it does scale with level, yay~ If not, S-E needs to fix that for Heavensward or else Shroud will basically be more or less used as a enmity reducer as MP pools get higher and higher.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

You might need to extend this test further. Since you get Enhanced Shroud of Saints at 48, it might be the same MP restored at every level until 48 where it gets the potency buff.

One more data point will be all you need to prove if the above is true or false though, so at least it's a simple test.

If it does scale with level, yay~ If not, S-E needs to fix that for Heavensward or else Shroud will basically be more or less used as a enmity reducer as MP pools get higher and higher.

nnnnngh I kind of wanted to avoid this, because finding a FATE that's level 43-44 was a real pain in the ass xD I'll get on it

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Ok well, I was lucky enough to teleport into mor dhona and find a level 44 FATE. Here are is the result:

MP flow without shroud was: 1909 -> 1987 -> 1812 (had to heal myself to not die) -> 1890 -> 1968
Differences between each tick without casting was 78 MP

MP flow with shroud was: 2151 -> 2431 -> 2711 -> 2991 -> 3271
Differences between each tick without casting was 280 MP

Subtract the natural recovery and it's 202 MP every 3 seconds or 1010 MP every 15 seconds at level 49

[Ghishlain]

nnnnngh I kind of wanted to avoid this, because finding a FATE that's level 43-44 was a real pain in the ass xD I'll get on it

Haha, sorry, didn't mean to be a pain xD Just wanted to bring up that small sticking point to ensure we've covered all the bases. Glad to see it changes based on your level I would've tested it myself if I wasn't at work at the time I made the request. Thanks~

[VanilleFang]

Thank you Lyrica!

That should kinda of put to rest the whole "SoS will always be 1060MP blah blah" crap. SoS scales with level so when you reach level 60 it restore more MP than it did at 50, meaning that higher MP costs won't be an issue unless they scale dramatically more than SoS does (which I can't see happening).

[Risvertasashi]

Thank you Lyrica!

That should kinda of put to rest the whole "SoS will always be 1060MP blah blah" crap. SoS scales with level so when you reach level 60 it restore more MP than it did at 50, meaning that higher MP costs won't be an issue unless they scale dramatically more than SoS does (which I can't see happening).

They may give us a second enhancement trait with the level cap increase as well. Contrary to what many others may think, SE does actually have experience with designing games XD