Should Cleric Stance be disabled during Dungeons and Raids?

[Tiggy]

This game isn't just made for Hardcore players dude. The way you're coming at this topic seems to be from a more hardcore stand point, which is fine. But there are casual players out there who play the game just for fun. Why should they be forced to live up to your expectations because you want them to?

Alternatively, why should more capable players be forced to play at a lower level? That question swings both ways. Leave it there. Let people play the way they want. If a team has a healer who doesn't DPS and the other team members want the healer to DPS then there is a mismatch. Find a new healer. There is literally no reason people can't play the way they want and with people who play in similar ways. Any argument that suggests people should force one group to play like another is too self entitled to be serious.

[Kerrigen]

Mandatory for healers to DPS? In what dimension? I'll be damned if more than 10% of the healers I'm getting in DF ever DPS, and I've never seen anyone call them out on it.

And to be honest if I didn't DPS when I do any faceroll content on healer I'd probably fall asleep from bordeom.

[Ecks007]

This thread is just silly.

As others have stated, so too shall I; A healer doesn't have to dps, but we have dps skills so we might as well put them to use if we know how to.

Sometimes things happen, and stuff gets misclicked. Accidents can happen. Though generally once you get the hang of how you can dps, toggle off, heal, toggle on, dps, and so on and so forth you are fine.

It's not that the group I'm in "Needs the extra dps for dps check" that's not typically why I dps on my Whm. I dps because it's helping down the mobs that much faster, hence the less people are taking damage which also means I don't have to heal as much.

Another reason I dps is because straight healing is boring as hell. I dps to keep myself awake in dungeon and trials. Although it completely depends the party makeup, as well as how decently geared the tank(s) is/are. There have been many a instance run where I wanted to dps, but the tanks/melee were just taking too much damage too often so I pretty much had to heal to keep everyone from dying.

That's not to say there aren't healers out there that are just plain dumb. I've been in trials, CM and Praetorium numerous times where the other healer just kept Cleric Stance up the whole time, during the times when they were actually healing and everything. That's when I facepalm, because cleric stance is just so bad for that. That's just a matter of that healer being bad and probably not realizing that the only reason people aren't dying is because the other healer that is doing things correctly is the one saving everyone's behind while their piddly heals off only mediocre, barely useful assistance to the good healer. If you have 2 healers doing this dumb thing, then chances are there's gonna be a few people dying if not everyone, depending on what you are doing.

Healers can dps, and when done well, it is only a benefit to the entire party.

[Lycelle]

Snip.

Nobody said they had to, but each person pays monthly to play how they want to play. If you go into a Coil group and they go. "Are you comfortable with DPSing while Healing." versus oh I don't know, "You're gonna DPS and Heal." and not give them a say in the matter, then that's completely different. The topic itself is a gray area and a lot of opinions go this way and that way. Back when T6 first came out I was comfortable DPSing on my SCH until the first Blighted popped. But that being said, things usually get easier to the point of where it doesn't matter whether or not a Healer does DPS. Because Yoshi's overall goal is to have everyone enjoy the content as they see fit, which is why echo now exist.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

Mandatory for healers to DPS? In what dimension? I'll be damned if more than 10% of the healers I'm getting in DF ever DPS, and I've never seen anyone call them out on it.

This x10000. People don't care.
Maybe SE should disable Elitist Stance instead of CS.

[Vespar]

I dont know why you would even do this. If I have time to DPS I do it. Ive never had anyone tell me it was required. I just did it where and when I could.

[DoctorPepper]

Nobody said they had to, but each person pays monthly to play how they want to play. If you go into a Coil group and they go. "Are you comfortable with DPSing while Healing." versus oh I don't know, "You're gonna DPS and Heal." and not give them a say in the matter, then that's completely different. The topic itself is a gray area and a lot of opinions go this way and that way. Back when T6 first came out I was comfortable DPSing on my SCH until the first Blighted popped. But that being said, things usually get easier to the point of where it doesn't matter whether or not a Healer does DPS. Because Yoshi's overall goal is to have everyone enjoy the content as they see fit, which is why echo now exist.

Honestly though, it's not completely different. Some coil groups will want the healer to dps and some won't care, but for the ones that do why should they (7 other people) have to put up with a healer that doesn't dps when there are plenty that will? In the same respect, why should a healer that doesn't want to heal have to heal? It's simple, they don't, but they won't be welcome into the group that expects it.

Either way you slice it, it's simply a matter of opinion and majority rules. You can't get mad that a coil group won't invite you because you refuse to dps when the rest of the group wants a healer that can, why should they suffer for your sake? They made the group and as far as I'm concerned, if you want to set the rules you need to make your own. Making the group is what takes most of the time and if they want to set rules like that it's up to them.

[Cerenth]

To bring this thread back on topic, no, do not disable cleric stance in raids/dungeons. Let players play how they want. Nobody is forcing anyone to put cleric stance on if they don't want to, but at the same time don't impose on others by forcing them to play in a specific manner just because you don't like it. Leave cleric stance alone and applaud the healers who help DPS while keeping everyone alive.

[Melriss]

Shut up Cerenth you haven't even cleared T11.


It's just like people expecting random buffs (Apocastatis, Mantra, Goad) in DF groups - it rarely happens but it's nice when it does. I expect a healer to heal (their role) and if they DPS by their own accord then that's more than welcome - it's just a waste to overheal or do nothing when you could be speeding up progress.

[Seryl199]

No one can force healers to dps, unless someone physically in the room taps your cleric stance hotkey every time you try to take it off. If you aren't comfortable with it in that fight, don't do it. You rolled in as a healer, and making pretty green numbers is your job, first and foremost.

Alternately, if your group is on the brink of pushing a phase or mechanic, or there is simply no healing or buffing to be done, parties can often be very grateful when you slip in some dps. Even if you do make a mistake resulting in someone's death (it happens, though incidents should be rare), just apologize, up your healing game, and try to do it better.