Should Cleric Stance be disabled during Dungeons and Raids?

[Krr]

Psst. There's no such thing as a 'real' or 'fake' member of a role because of their playstyle. Just competent and incompetent players.

[Makuro]

This is ridiculous. I can't stand healers who stand around waiting to heal rather than actively helping the party, and that's the kind of lazy, entitled behavior that would be encouraged by this change.

Healing in regards to ffxiv isn't demanding in most cases. There's a lot of things I can't stand about healers, as I have been doing it for a while. One of the issues I have are healers who ignore mechanics to pull those "hard hitting" deeps. With that said I think I should clarify that I dps and heal. I do not expect every single healer to do the same. Yes it may seem "lazy" or whatever else but that is your personal opinion; even though a part of our community shares the same thinking. However their purpose to make sure your health doesn't hit 0 or to assist with getting you up after. I will not accept people raging at a healer who hasn't gained that dps aspect as part of their play-style.

[Makuro]

It didn't originally. But at the time a group of butthurt DPS bitched about WHM being a little too good at rapidly swapping from DD mode to heal mode (literally weaving heals between damage skills) and SE changed it. Funny enough now those same DPS bitch when healers DON'T deal damage now, even though they are responsible for nerfing the safety net and forcing healers to be more conservative.

That is both so funny and so sad.

[Lycelle]

Why should Healers have to DPS? Don't bring up a guide on why or someone else's post. Answer me with your own words folks. Because from the sounds of it, DPS is not up to snuff if Healers have to step in and help with something called a "DPS Check." Last I checked this game had 3 roles and not hybrid roles. It makes little sense for a Healer to DPS during an 8 man raid, such as Coil. I understand there is a benefit, but here's the issue behind it. When we DPS, we take away MP we could be saving for emergency heals on the tank or a DPS who is going to go down. Why should we have to sacrifice our MP to benefit DPS who should in the first place be geared enough to down the content that is being tackled.

If you're relying on Healers to DPS then your own DPS aren't either A) Doing their rotation right. B) Not properly geared for the encounter. C) Dead on the floor from lack of heals DUE to Healers being told to DPS in their stead.

[Melriss]

After reading this, the silence was broken by the sound of my soul cracking. I've read some silly things (like the Moogle forum) but this takes the cake.

If you're relying on Healers to DPS then your own DPS aren't either A) Doing their rotation right. B) Not properly geared for the encounter. C) Dead on the floor from lack of heals DUE to Healers being told to DPS in their stead.

Yes because I totally need those Cure/Psychik spam while in ilvl 110 gear in Ampador Keep Normal. I mean, God forbid if anyone wants to speed up an encounter or to do more than watch a tank's HP bar move by a tiny amount. I bet you're the type of healer who overheals or spams cure at 90% HP.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

There are a lot of bad healers in this game. Please, don't suggest them to DPS more. Thank you.

[gamesmart]

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Nobody here has said healers have to DPS. We're disagreeing with OP's belief that the one tool that healers have FOR DPSing (when they *want* to) should be removed from places where they serve a very big purpose.

And in Final Coil, it's more than just "DPS aren't good enough to meet the check" - in cases where they are, additional SCH DPS can push the phase that much faster, skip a fifth (or fourth) Bennu in T12, etc. For groups clearing T13, does the healer NEED to DPS? No. But does the healer need to be healing 24/7? No. Does healer DPS make it that much easier and faster? Yes.

I mean, heck, people are already solo healing T10, 11, and 12. Healers have plenty of time to DPS if only one healer needs to be actually healing - and there's still room for a solo healer to DPS.

[Lycelle]

After reading this, the silence was broken by the sound of my soul cracking. I've read some silly things (like the Moogle forum) but this takes the cake.



Yes because I totally need those Cure/Psychik spam while in ilvl 110 gear in Ampador Keep Normal. I mean, God forbid if anyone wants to speed up an encounter or to do more than watch a tank's HP bar move by a tiny amount. I bet you're the type of healer who overheals or spams cure at 90% HP.

1. I don't know you and I didn't make any personal attack towards you or your play style. So please refrain from doing it to me. Thanks.

2. If you had read my post in it's entirety I was stating it from a 8 man raid perspective and not 4.

Nobody here has said healers have to DPS. We're disagreeing with OP's belief that the one tool that healers have FOR DPSing (when they *want* to) should be removed from places where they serve a very big purpose.

And in Final Coil, it's more than just "DPS aren't good enough to meet the check" - in cases where they are, additional SCH DPS can push the phase that much faster, skip a fifth (or fourth) Bennu in T12, etc. For groups clearing T13, does the healer NEED to DPS? No. But does the healer need to be healing 24/7? No. Does healer DPS make it that much easier and faster? Yes.

I mean, heck, people are already solo healing T10, 11, and 12. Healers have plenty of time to DPS if only one healer needs to be actually healing - and there's still room for a solo healer to DPS.

You kinda just stuck your foot in your mouth mate. If Healers are geared enough to solo Heal those turns, then that means by that point DPS should be geared enough to take down the content without "needing" DPS from Healers. I'm not saying Healer DPS is a bad thing. But with the way most people play a lot of people tunnel vision which makes things tricky. I don't trust a lot of people to know what they are doing in the first place. So I kinda set in emergency plans in case things go south, usually solo healing is done when content usually "has" echo on it. BUT with the exception of gear it is also possible for solo healing to occur and then in that case, by all means DPS away if you can sneak some in there.

Also keep in mind, a lot of people don't have that mindset of "Need to Heal and DPS." To force that on someone is kinda rude and I don't think it would blow over too well. But in my opinion I think Cleric Stance is just fine the way it is. I DPS/Heal myself, but there "are" times where I won't but that really depends on if I am comfortable with the party at that given time. I usually don't trust DPS as far as I can throw them and there's a lot of them.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

True, but if we didn't have cleric stance it wouldn't be as expected of us to DPS

Cleric stance is there as an option — not a requirement. If you can't handle healing and DPSing (or if you don't want to) just do one or the other. Let the haters hate. kk.

[ManweSulimo]

As a healer myself I personally am straight up outraged by even the thought of this.

I probably would quit the game kinda like I haven't run frontlines (except maybe once?) since they took it out

My opinion of a healer is that it is a DPS class until healing is necessary and I spend 80% of my time in most content in cleric stance. It's really fun for me beginning a fight and watching the agro table and trying to get to the top without casting a heal