I'm Getting More Confused about a WAR's Ability to Tank

[Kelya]

Warrior well skilled is a -30% damages basis on every big hits, even if the frequence of the big hits is short : SP + IB = -30% (it's actually less than that cause multiplicative)

In addition, depending on the situation, you can or should add another CD, meaning for every big hits, you almost always get damages reduced well above 30%.

I don't see where the warrior is bad at tanking, where he's getting hit so much... Unless I meet a bad player, which is completly different!

Also from a Healer POV, Warrior alone can't make miracles. You have to play with good healers that understand how to heal a warrior. A good WHM should Stoneskin the WAR a lot, even midfight (and above all, during your super Thrill of battle), and always have a Regen on him to benefit from the +20% heal bonus (also refresh it while Convalescence is up!). If your healers are not doing that, they are not maximizing the potential of the WAR, and that could result in a "so much damages!" feeling.

[Synestra]

Also from a Healer POV, Warrior alone can't make miracles. You have to play with good healers that understand how to heal a warrior. A good WHM should Stoneskin the WAR a lot, even midfight (and above all, during your super Thrill of battle), and always have a Regen on him to benefit from the +20% heal bonus (also refresh it while Convalescence is up!). If your healers are not doing that, they are not maximizing the potential of the WAR, and that could result in a "so much damages!" feeling.

This is propably biggest diffirence between WAR and PLD, WAR kinda requires good healer to back him up while PLD can be left alone for few seconds even in bigger pulls. Inexperienced healers usually dont like WAR tanks >_<

[Blueskyy]

[QUOTE=Synestra;2736620]This is propably biggest diffirence between WAR and PLD, WAR kinda requires good healer to back him

In speed runs like brayflox hard. Warrior don't even need a healer. Go check out Lucrezia running WAR,DRG,MNK and BLM in brayflox hm.

Tho I agree a little on "WAR kinda requires good healer to back him up" but you know how much a Good WAR can heal back himself? My hp sits at 10800 lets put it at 10000 for easier calculations. (If you count only the heal back of ToB it's 8k ), My Inner beast hits 1k with berserk which in turn heals me back 1k, when added up with blood bath, it's 1200. Also WAR have Second wind which will work better with berserk. Healing me 600 or 800 with crit if im not wrong. If done in one go, the heal back is amazing. And also Healer do tent to heal a warrior or overheal back to max hp when he's in ToB which is unnecessary

[Kelya]

In speed runs like brayflox hard. Warrior don't even need a healer. Go check out Lucrezia running WAR,DRG,MNK and BLM in brayflox hm.

Tho I agree a little on "WAR kinda requires good healer to back him up" but you know how much a Good WAR can heal back himself? My hp sits at 10800 lets put it at 10000 for easier calculations. (If you count only the heal back of ToB it's 8k ), My Inner beast hits 1k with berserk which in turn heals me back 1k, when added up with blood bath, it's 1200. Also WAR have Second wind which will work better with berserk. Healing me 600 or 800 with crit if im not wrong. If done in one go, the heal back is amazing. And also Healer do tent to heal a warrior or overheal back to max hp when he's in ToB which is unnecessary

I have no doubts how a WAR can self-heal a lot without a healer, and I will always prefer a WAR in speed runs as a WHM.

However you can't do it very often ( 120s ToB/Second wind and 90s Berserk). In coil you will survive the first big hit, but not the second if you don't have good healers.

By good healers I mean healers that understand how is designed the WAR and how to heal him accordingly. If you have bad healers, no matter what you do in coils situations, you will feel taking so much damages in comparaison to the PLD, and the first to complain will be the healers themself, putting the fault on the WAR... That may explain why a lot of healers always stand for the "PLD is easier to heal than WAR".

With the passive buff of +20% healing bonus provided by Defiance, Healers definitively are one of the main keys to influence WAR gameplay/survivability.

So actually, WAR in general is very dependant from his healers, be it only to be measured at his fair value.