[dev1123] - Can we have all 3 Action Bars showing up at once?

[LuciBlack]

I dont understand any of you.
I have no problem useing my arrow keys for ability choise.
w and s for forward back.
a and d for camera left and right.
and numpad 8 and 2 for camera up and down.
I use numpad del to take out weapon, numpad 3 to lock on, numpad 0 to change targets, and enter to use ability.

The keyboard is programable enough for you to make your own key config to your liking.

even if we had all 30 abilitys on screen at once, you would still be useing the arrow keys to find the ability u want to use.
unless your dependant on mouse.

I do not... i repeat.. do Not want to see all 30 actions on my screen... then i will feel overcumbered.
I dont want to be crowded with abilities on my screen.

Every player players differant, so the only solution is to make the UI customizable. Makes everyone happy.

[Tsukino]

I dont understand any of you.
I have no problem useing my arrow keys for ability choise.
w and s for forward back.
a and d for camera left and right.
and numpad 8 and 2 for camera up and down.
I use numpad del to take out weapon, numpad 3 to lock on, numpad 0 to change targets, and enter to use ability.

The keyboard is programable enough for you to make your own key config to your liking.

even if we had all 30 abilitys on screen at once, you would still be useing the arrow keys to find the ability u want to use.
unless your dependant on mouse.

I do not... i repeat.. do Not want to see all 30 actions on my screen... then i will feel overcumbered.
I dont want to be crowded with abilities on my screen.

Every player players differant, so the only solution is to make the UI customizable. Makes everyone happy.

You obviously don't understand because you use only the keyboard. You also wouldn't notice if you used just a gamepad. This is a keyboard+mouse issue.

When you play like this, your left hand is on the left side of the keyboard, and your right hand is on the mouse (assuming you're right-handed anyway). That means the arrow keys on the keyboard are out of the way of either hand - you have to move one or the other to change bars. Additionally, if you're clicking on action buttons instead of just using the number keys, you now have to do two things instead of one to activate an ability.

Moreover, because the arrow keys are used for more than one thing and there currently is no key binding option for changing action bars, anytime you click somewhere else (rotate the camera, change targets, click party names, use a menu) it takes the focus off the action bar and now your arrow keys don't switch action bars at all. Like I already posted, this means party members dying because their healer on keyboard+mouse couldn't get to the right bar when they needed to a lot of the time.

They want to make all input methods viable in this game (hence the update in 1.18a that will increase visibility for gamepad players and keyboard players who don't use the number shortcuts) and this is something that needs a couple adjustments for one of those three methods.

Obviously some people don't want to display all three (or more possibly in the future) action bars, but no one in this thread wants them to be on for everyone all the time. They just want the option to do so.

[Aion]

cant they make other optional ui for action bar? instead of 1 x 9 grid I'd like to have 3 x 3 grid and add these functionality:
- "~" key to switch bar on keyboard or other key
-auto run key on controller serve as change action bar also or other button

[Soma]

I dont understand any of you.
I have no problem useing my arrow keys for ability choise.
w and s for forward back.
a and d for camera left and right.
and numpad 8 and 2 for camera up and down.
I use numpad del to take out weapon, numpad 3 to lock on, numpad 0 to change targets, and enter to use ability.

The keyboard is programable enough for you to make your own key config to your liking.

even if we had all 30 abilitys on screen at once, you would still be useing the arrow keys to find the ability u want to use.
unless your dependant on mouse.

I do not... i repeat.. do Not want to see all 30 actions on my screen... then i will feel overcumbered.
I dont want to be crowded with abilities on my screen.

Every player players differant, so the only solution is to make the UI customizable. Makes everyone happy.

yes i agree. no two people play the same. however that is why most of us want these optional.
the ability to move , shrink, stretch add or subtract action bars or even none at all if that how you like it.
most mmo's nowdays have fully customizable ui. and some go as far as having to letting out side programers
make there own.

im not telling anyone how to play. everyone should be able to enjoy it how ever they like.
all im asking for is options.
i really do like what SE is trying to do. but its not quite there yet.

[Nipa]

Please add an option to use Rift interface. Kthxbye.

[Ilean]

If they removed the dumb action description and replaced the silly shaped action bar with a straight 10x2 or 12x2 bar it would take less screen space than it does now. You can't even drag the actions to the bottom of the screen at the moment because that would hide a portion of the stupid blue spike on the left side and OMG that would be terrible for gameplay!

[Mudd]

I play at 1280x720/768 so my screen doesn't exactly have a massive amount of space, but I would totally go with displaying 2 bars. It would free up like half of my macro space.
As for displaying all 3 bars, I dont need that. Currently I just have gathering stuff and a couple macro skills on there that I don't activate alone.

[Serio]

If they removed the dumb action description and replaced the silly shaped action bar with a straight 10x2 or 12x2 bar it would take less screen space than it does now. You can't even drag the actions to the bottom of the screen at the moment because that would hide a portion of the stupid blue spike on the left side and OMG that would be terrible for gameplay!

Yes, Please! I don't need to read a big ol' description of the abilities that i'm using in the heat of battle -- abilities that i've used hundreds of times and know what they do. It would make lots of room for an optional 3x action bar. It would also be great to have optional sizes for the action bar.

On a side note, how about drag and drop ability setting? It's like a damn puzzle trying to move abilities around. I guess these are all part of the major issue of UI clunkyness.

[Payadopa]

You obviously don't understand because you use only the keyboard. You also wouldn't notice if you used just a gamepad. This is a keyboard+mouse issue.

Exactly, and it's sooo annoying. I can barely click on that tiny arrow to scroll up and down. Why can't the mouse wheel scroll up and down as soon as the arrow floats over the ability bar? Displaying 3 rows at once sounds good, too, but it'll probably be too big.

Edit: Can I have a toggle of the ability description? I think I finally know what my abilities do. Moreover, I can barely see my PC behind that wall of text. I'm sure most Lalafells have the same problem.

[Eekiki]

Edit: Can I have a toggle of the ability description? I think I finally know what my abilities do. Moreover, I can barely see my PC behind that wall of text. I'm sure most Lalafells have the same problem.

I mentioned this quickly before, but with the default widget layout when playing in 720p (which I'm guessing is what the PS3 version will display in) the pop-up text on abilities blocks where your target's HP and status effects are displayed. I would also like the ability to turn this off, or reduce it to displaying the ability name without the description.