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    Damn it, i wish someone would tell me that sooner before i did my MNK all to lvl 50 and invested all my poe/sol/cash into him... Why did i have to pick up the class, that is getting rolled over by every mechanic in this game... Like cone aoe behind the boss, say goodbye to your potency, some mechanics, say good bay to your stacks, while NIN and Lancer can laugh at my face... I hope that they will do something regard this matter, it's kinda weird that MNK is the only one that has to bear all that awful stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resine View Post
    Damn it, i wish someone would tell me that sooner before i did my MNK all to lvl 50 and invested all my poe/sol/cash into him... Why did i have to pick up the class, that is getting rolled over by every mechanic in this game... Like cone aoe behind the boss, say goodbye to your potency, some mechanics, say good bay to your stacks, while NIN and Lancer can laugh at my face... I hope that they will do something regard this matter, it's kinda weird that MNK is the only one that has to bear all that awful stuff.
    I'm going to tell you just as I did in the other thread you made about the monk positionals. You just have to learn the bosses, and then most mechanics won't have any great impact on you aside from when you are forced to lose stacks, which is actually pretty rare if you have learned the fight well.

    But asking if ninja is a better job than monk is asking if one opinion is better than another. Monk, ninja, and dragoon are all pretty well balanced against each other. In most single target cases monk is going to win in pure damage, and in Final Coil monk utility is very valuable. Ninja and dragoon single target DPS will be pretty close to each other and slightly behind monk in most cases. Ninja brings a lot of versatility to the group, and dragoon bring high burst capability and a buff for bards.

    You seem to be really down on learning how to actually handle a monk properly in this thread and the previous one you made so you might be better off looking at ninja. Neither job if played correctly is going to do your party a disservice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    You seem to be really down on learning how to actually handle a monk properly in this thread and the previous one you made so you might be better off looking at ninja. Neither job if played correctly is going to do your party a disservice.
    I think you misunderstood me here and in the other thread, it's not like i am not able to do it, it's more like it is getting on my nerve every time i have to do it. Even more when i see Dragon and NIN almost in the same spot all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resine View Post
    I think you misunderstood me here and in the other thread, it's not like i am not able to do it, it's more like it is getting on my nerve every time i have to do it. Even more when i see Dragon and NIN almost in the same spot all the time.
    Then you've answered your own question, you should move on from monk. If you don't want to deal with positionals there's other things you can play. However, you stated:
    Quote Originally Posted by Resine View Post
    Damn it, i wish someone would tell me that sooner before i did my MNK all to lvl 50 and invested all my poe/sol/cash into him... Why did i have to pick up the class, that is getting rolled over by every mechanic in this game... Like cone aoe behind the boss, say goodbye to your potency, some mechanics, say good bay to your stacks, while NIN and Lancer can laugh at my face... I hope that they will do something regard this matter, it's kinda weird that MNK is the only one that has to bear all that awful stuff.
    Monks do not get rolled over by every mechanic. There are extremely few instances where you are forced to lose stacks, and you shouldn't be missing positionals often at all. From the way you state things in this thread and the other you have made it sound like this is something that's difficult for you to do. However, as it stands monk positionals are fine, and when you learn the boss mechanics losing stacks should be something that happens very infrequently except for when it's a total break in combat which impacts everyone to some degree. GL stacks are just the trade off a monk has to except for the extremely high single target damage they do, and you have to learn how to take advantage of every opportunity to keep your combo going and move into each positional.

    No class/job will be perfect, and there will be fights that they can't perform their best on. That's just the nature of fight variation, but as it stands right now monk performs exceptionally well on most every encounter in the game.
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    When i play the Monk i want to hit every positional without losing stacks, for example the new dungeon that came out, Keeper of the Lake, the fight against the dragons. Well, you have to run from aoe all the time, there are tons of them, i really would love to see how you hit all those positionals having his rear blocked by aoes, or while hiding under that shield when you face the front of the boss. I played it just few times so i don't know the exact timing, but i think that the link between the main and sub dragon where you have to wait takes 8-9 seconds? That's an example of the mechanics that screw the monk over, not to mention that when the Boss targets a random member from the party he turns instantly at him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resine View Post
    When i play the Monk i want to hit every positional without losing stacks, for example the new dungeon that came out, Keeper of the Lake, the fight against the dragons. Well, you have to run from aoe all the time, there are tons of them, i really would love to see how you hit all those positionals having his rear blocked by aoes, or while hiding under that shield when you face the front of the boss. I played it just few times so i don't know the exact timing, but i think that the link between the main and sub dragon where you have to wait takes 8-9 seconds? That's an example of the mechanics that screw the monk over, not to mention that when the Boss targets a random member from the party he turns instantly at him.
    You don't have to get into the shell immediately and once the charge finishes you can jump out. Same idea as KB's Meteor. In general, though, getting hit with an AoE is not the end of the world. You got Second Wind, Keen Flurry, Bloodbath, Featherfoot and an abundance of bored/hypochondriac healers. Take a hit and use your best judgment.

    As for the tether, I'm 85% sure you can still advance forms on Midgardsormr during his invulnerability. It works for WAR combo.

    Mobs follow a script. Prepare for the inevitable turn or use ToD to delay the GCD until you can get in position.
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