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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    YES! Either move it to High level, or delay changing the dungeon line up for Expert.

    Every major patch it takes me a few days to unlock the new dungeons, & I'm losing our on the daily Alexandrite map quest.
    It's a good thing they didn't make all the other ways of getting them considerably easier. Whew.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford View Post
    27 fates could easily take 20-40 hours. 900 mobs is going to average about 18 hours (the maximum 3 spawn mobs really make this portion drag). 27 dungeons (when you factor in duty finder wait time and the fact that many of them are going to require you to enter dungeons under level 50) could easily take you a good 20-30 hours. 27 leves - well these probably won't take you more than 4 hours or so total.
    In general these don't match the numbers I got in december when I did my books. Even still the fate portion won't take that long anymore since they upped the spawn rate a bit on some of those fates. Also, many of these activities can be done in such an order that you greatly decrease the overall time.

    My approach for example tried to overlap as much as possible. As a DPS I knew queues would be long so I'd queue a dungeon up. Then check all three fate zones and kill any fates I saw up that I needed. Then I'd go kill 1 group of 10 mobs. Then I'd do a pass through the three fate zones again. Wash rinse repeat until the queue pops or you finish. 2 out of 3 books I had the fates done before the dungeons and sometimes before I was even done killing monsters. If you do each thing one at a time it will take forever. Be smarter about it and it can be done faster. That's why my experience went much faster than what you suggested above. I'm not wasting time waiting for fates or queues so I got more done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    It's a good thing they didn't make all the other ways of getting them considerably easier. Whew.
    All the other? You mean the two other ways?

    I'm not complaining about the difficulty of the new dungeons. Just the fact that they Morbid Motivation cannot be completed until they new dungeons are unlocked. Seeing as I stated that takes a few days to do, how much extra fate grinding or other dungeon runs do you think I'm doing instead? None, buddy... not with a full time job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    All the other? You mean the two other ways?

    I'm not complaining about the difficulty of the new dungeons. Just the fact that they Morbid Motivation cannot be completed until they new dungeons are unlocked. Seeing as I stated that takes a few days to do, how much extra fate grinding or other dungeon runs do you think I'm doing instead? None, buddy... not with a full time job.
    3 ways: Soldiery, FATEs, and Allied seals.
    They doubled the yield of A and S ranks so you gain allied seals faster
    They increased the drop rate of alex from FATEs
    and they also increased numerous soldiery rewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    All the other? You mean the two other ways?

    I'm not complaining about the difficulty of the new dungeons. Just the fact that they Morbid Motivation cannot be completed until they new dungeons are unlocked. Seeing as I stated that takes a few days to do, how much extra fate grinding or other dungeon runs do you think I'm doing instead? None, buddy... not with a full time job.
    I had all 3 done and unlocked in less than 2 hours on launch day giving me access to the quest instantly. It's not Squares fault if you were unable to have it unlocked on the first day. You may be busy, have work, etc but the fact is plenty of people had it unlocked on the first day. It's not like this was impossible or even tough to do. This reason exists only for a few days for most people. Not a valid reason to change the quest off of the expert roulette. This "fix" completely ignores any and all other reasons expert roulette was likely chosen over high level. This is a single minded fix for a singular temporary problem. It is entirely unrealistic to think your 1 or 2 days is so important as to completely negate their reasoning for using it on expert roulette. These dungeons will be around for 4 months. 2 days of unlocks is trivial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    It is entirely unrealistic to think your 1 or 2 days is so important as to completely negate their reasoning for using it on expert roulette. These dungeons will be around for 4 months. 2 days of unlocks is trivial.
    It is not unrealistic, troll. Good for you, speeding through content. Not everyone does that.

    Where we had a daily guaranteed Alex, it is now locked behind new dungeons that take time to learn mechanics & to clear. That just seems like a simple oversight on SE's part & not riot material you all are making it out to be if they take this into account.

    Increasing drop rate for Alex in fates or seal rewards from hunts do nothing for us if we're spending available game time clearing dungeons to unlock the rearranged roulette.

    If SE allowed the Morbid quest to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5, if would not negatively impact anyone's game play what so ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    It is not unrealistic, troll. Good for you, speeding through content. Not everyone does that.
    Someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a troll.

    Where we had a daily guaranteed Alex, it is now locked behind new dungeons that take time to learn mechanics & to clear. That just seems like a simple oversight on SE's part & not riot material you all are making it out to be if they take this into account.
    It seems like the people raising hue and cry about having to unlock again are the ones making it into riot material.

    Increasing drop rate for Alex in fates or seal rewards from hunts do nothing for us if we're spending available game time clearing dungeons to unlock the rearranged roulette.
    It took all of an hour, maybe an hour and a half at most to unlock the roulette again.

    After you invest that time, you can go grind some fates or hunts. Bonus!

    If SE allowed the Morbid quest to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5, if would not negatively impact anyone's game play what so ever.
    They do allow it to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5. Right after you unlock it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a troll.

    They do allow it to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5. Right after you unlock it again.
    You're added to the list & you're reply was facetious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    It is not unrealistic, troll.
    I'm sorry but at what point did 2 days of effort require a change that effects 4 months? That's not trolling. That's me looking at you saying very specifically that this is a giant waste of time and your reasoning is poor. Disagreeing with you does not make me a troll. This forum is not an echo chamber. Everyone is not required to completely agree with you lest they be called a troll by some random kid on the internet.

    You're asking them to make a change for a reason that is minuscule and forgotten in a few days after the patch. It isn't worth even 1 second of dev time. It isn't worth removing incentives to run expert roulette once your poe cap is done which is the primary reason it was put expert roulette to begin. A feature you CONVENIENTLY ignored. A feature that keeps the expert roulette popping fast even at the end of the week when most people have finished poe farming already. Your "fix" completely and utterly ignores any and all side effects of the swap and that's why its a poor solution. It fails to consider all parts of the scenario to instead focus on one specific and temporally insignificant change which would instead contribute to the expert roulette having longer queue times by the end of the week. A problem that won't just last a few days like the one this thread is about. It would be a problem that lasts for four whole months or more. Making it a far bigger issue than your silly day or two without the roulette.

    I am not a troll. A troll just posts to cause problems. I have reasons which I just laid out. I simply disagree with you and you can't handle that so you lash out with names like troll. Needs more deal with it. This isn't your echo chamber. I am not your yes man.

    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    You're added to the list & you're reply was facetious.
    Ohhhh nooooo. The list!

    Seriously kid is this supposed to mean something? Is he punished now? Also, his reply wasn't facetious.Let me help you with a definition.

    fa·ce·tious
    fəˈsēSHəs/Submit
    adjective
    treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
    See the prereq for being facetious requires this to be a serious issue. It isn't. You're assuming it is because it's a big deal to you however minuscule amount of posts saying this is an issue would argue otherwise. You're giving the issue a degree of over importance and assuming it's a big enough deal to even be a topic worthy of being facetious about. It took literally less than an hour to unlock all three dungeons. It is in no way a big deal. If you didn't have the time to unlock them then you barely had the time to even run the dungeon anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zooters View Post
    You can use ANY weapon or ANY job. It doesn't matter you're doing for the relic quest, so this is a null point.
    Exactly. It is a moot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    Where we had a daily guaranteed Alex, it is now locked behind new dungeons that take time to learn mechanics & to clear. That just seems like a simple oversight on SE's part & not riot material you all are making it out to be if they take this into account.
    It is not harder than the first day of 2.4 was.
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