White Mage vs Scholar - Why is White Mage lacking?

[FranSeara]

Sorry again Kelya, English is my 5th tier language. Most of you already know this. Sorry for my bad English. Let me put it to you very plainly. In my eyes 1. You don't seem to want to take responsibility for your own actions and play style. 2. You seem to want to blame others for failure. 3. You seem to think that you and only you play the class right. Fixing Whm mps issues would be for the betterment of the eveyone. The other Whms who play the job right shouldn't care about having alittle more mp. The 100's of whms I know couldn't ALL be wrong.......right??

Have a good weekend.

[Kelya]

"The other Whms who play the job right shouldn't care about having alittle more mp"

Yeah exactly, but they already shouldn't care about it, that's what I say
And I think I take a lot of responsibility for my own actions when I tend to do all by myself without needind a bard/smn I will never give the fault to them because I want not to depend on them, consequently the only person I can blame is me. But it is true that normally, in raid content each player should help each other, it is true that in progression content, you will always have the bard singing (if it's not for the healers, you know it's for smn most of the time ^^). In this case, the bard is responsible for this yeah.

I'm very sorry for your 100 WHM by the way, this is very weird and sad. Are you running SCH/WHM/BARD composition ? Because if not, that could explain a lot

I still maintain that the MP of the WHM is fine. If you think the contrary, you can just go Piety build and get 5,2K +, and completly over-use your skills !

[sharazisspecial]

They should at least let SoS work of Piety because its very poor design for this ability to not scale with gear.
From now and into the Expansion we will continue to gear up and our MP and MP/3 numbers will continue to get higher making SoS un-impactful outside of the threat drop.

[firstsin]

MP management is the primary issue WHM have in end game.

Here are a few scenarios where MP becomes an issue:
1) WHM is doing DPS
2) WHM is spamming heals or overhealing
3) Raid group is taking unnecessary damage
4) Co-healer is not pulling their weight
5) Tanks fail to use cool downs

The first two points are areas where the WHM must work on. There's no reason a WHM needs to DPS. Improper use of spells and buffs is another issue WHM's run out of MP and you should NEVER overheal. Heal timing is also critical. Know when to heal and when not to heal.

The last three points are usually the reasons why a lot of people who play WHM complain about MP and fail to recognise what is going on. If the party as a whole is doing something that is forcing you to burn MP then it is your responsibility to inform them what is happening. This will allow your party to adjust things accordingly.

Find an equilibrium between heals and MP for each fight and your MP worries are gone.

[sharazisspecial]

MP management is the primary issue WHM have in end game.
There's no reason a WHM needs to DPS

SCH can dps and heal.
Beating the DPS check is vital and any extra dps can really benefit the group.
Most serious healer will just switch from WHM to AST when it comes. If:
1. SE havent fixed WHM mana issues
2. it has decent aoe healing, not necessarily the best aoe healing. You don't actually need that much healing to do well
3. It can contribute extra dps via buffs or sustainable nuking.

[Kelya]

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Finally, thanks you !

If the party is taking unnecessary damages, that's not a reason for buffing the MP of the WHM That's a reason for the party to do better on the next try, to learn from their faillures, nothing else.

Remember that almost every fight you can solo it as WHM, meaning if you (or someone at least) can do it, you can do it with correct MP management, meaning you can't find it more difficult with 2 healers (otherwise it's a team issue). There are plenty of videos on youtube, a lot of WHM are fine with their MP. Sure they have great team, but is the tank asking for better CD when the healers are bad ? Are the dps asking for better dps when others dps are bad ? Are the healers asking for more potency when others healers are bad ?

In normal conditions, MP are more than fine (again, even a WHM can dps from time to time, meaning MP actually are far away from being an issue).

[VanilleFang]

Most serious healer will just switch from WHM to AST when it comes.

No. We don't even know what AST is even going to be like. You can't make this statement and then make it into a speculation. Why would I want to switch to AST? I love WHM.

I personally don't find that the issues with MP on WHM are even that bad. When I mentioned it before all I was saying was that it is the only issue I can see with them. And to make it seem like WHM is so horrible that AST will flat out be better, because of MP, then you obviously have no idea what balance is. WHM is fine right now. Don't act like WHM is at the bottom of the barrel.

[sharazisspecial]

SCH is overall better when it comes to FFXIV elite endgame. They just work better. Whm is alot better in content outside the elite endgame.
But there is no balance issues atm because there's only two healers and two healer slots.SCH is so harshly punished for stacking so theres zero reason to disclude whm.

When AST arrives it will be well designed like ninja was and WHM will be the worst healer.
Because every single endgame raid such as coil has been around DPS checks rather then actual healer skill.
If AST can increase the dps of the raid they will be preferred end off story.

Im speculating AST to be able to buff the pt in some way. If AST cannot increase the pts dps or cannot nuke sustainably then they will be equal in value of a whm but below SCH who have shields, selene and good dps.

Whm isnt weak in terms of actual healing , its the strongest aoe healer atm. In end though a little less healing potency for increased dps is the best way to tackle SE endgame raid philosophy.

[Parawill]

Whm isnt weak in terms of actual healing , its the strongest aoe healer atm. In end though a little less healing potency for increased dps is the best way to tackle SE endgame raid philosophy.

^ This 100%. DPS makes healing way easier as it lowers the amount of healing time, heals required and cooldowns & resources spent for all classes (TP, MP, etc.).

Mistakes makes things harder. And unfamiliarity creates inefficiencies.

[firstsin]

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I respectfully disagree. If that was the case then raid groups would take two scholars instead of one WHM and one SCH. There are content in the game which are easier with WHM or SCH but that does not mean one is better then the other. There are strategies that play put better with a WHM or a SCH but that does not mean one is better then the other.

So even if Succor does not stack two succor does a lot of healing. You'll potentially have 12 lustrate at your disposal. No "MP" issue. Two Eos, when microed can time their buffs.

Yet no one does cos neither SCH or WHM is better then the other.

Lastly if healers are required to help with DPS to push phases then either your DPS are not as good as you think or your party lacks decent gear.

Better players have done T9 solo with WHM link.

Lack of skill is not an excuse to claim WHM are weaken than SCH.