Dear god increase the autoattack speed of marauder..

[Lienn]

Yes, i was nocking only 1 arrow. Its like i said...it was just a simple example, without too increased details...i'm just assuming you're shooting when light shot is up and nocking an extra arrow when multishot is up. Also, Raging strike is a valid argument. Shhot 3 arrows with and then without it and compare the TP gain difference. If MRD could charge up to 3 swings and then buff and unleash them, then it would be also considered important as MRD too...but without maximized affinity and only 1 swing the TP gain bonus from Raging strike can just be ignored at MRD.

And if you want i can count the other basic attacks...i was just nice to MRD in ignoring them...because it would be even to extra 3 swings if you use all 3...only pummel and full thrust would already generate more TP than these 3 extra swings...same for trifurcate...again...i was just being nice to MRD...putting these into account would just make it look even worse.

Also, what about comparing GLA too? Because its role is tanking i cannot use it as comparison? Welcome back to FFXI! With half delay its damage output does can be used as comparison....its nearly 2 times faster than MRD...in a DD build it can easily keep up with MRD (not to say it will also have better DPS than MRD).

Anyway...i said i wasn't going to be too specific there. I tried leaving it simple to avoid misundertanding but seens again it wasn't the case. So lemme explain the simple math i did...i counted only the AA for it. ARC had to have multishot taken into consideration because it does is part of light shot mechanics. But all other were using only AA.

[Namynyor]

Its really not....i can't enjoy Marauder anymore as i used too.... :/ im major disappoint with the attack speed changes.. and the new mp cost of cure spells ; ;

Other than that im completely fine with everything in the patch X_X

I agree about the MP cost of cure spells, but what do you expect when you're swinging a large axe around? It's about the same delay as the GA in FFXI had, 4-5 seconds and an auto-attack. Granted, my MRD is still very low rank, but I never expected to be a fast attacker when I'm using a large 2-handed weapon. The only issue I have with attack delay is on daggers for GLA, daggers and sword have almost the same delay, when a dagger should be a much faster weapon, or should get multiple attacks to compensate. Weapon delay should reflect their size and whether they are 1- or 2-hand weapons. So I think the delay on MRD is decent (I've used some weapons with a 6-7 second delay in FFXI)

[Namynyor]

for glad i equipped heavy stab to try and build tp faster, i was blown away by the 60 second timer on. just give me my marks back SE.

with the attacks I purchased with marks, I have 3 manual trigger attacks, and the auto-attack, plus increased TP gain from Outmaneuver, so I don't have any problem with TP gain, and using TP based attacks on GLA.

[Lienn]

I agree about the MP cost of cure spells, but what do you expect when you're swinging a large axe around? It's about the same delay as the GA in FFXI had, 4-5 seconds and an auto-attack. Granted, my MRD is still very low rank, but I never expected to be a fast attacker when I'm using a large 2-handed weapon. The only issue I have with attack delay is on daggers for GLA, daggers and sword have almost the same delay, when a dagger should be a much faster weapon, or should get multiple attacks to compensate. Weapon delay should reflect their size and whether they are 1- or 2-hand weapons. So I think the delay on MRD is decent (I've used some weapons with a 6-7 second delay in FFXI)

Well, this is a fantasy game ^^: Weapons here have no weight...or we would never be able to have monkey grip in FF serie...because if a weapon is to heavy to fight well with 2 hands, what about using it with one hand? =P

So i'll put mythril description here...a metal stronger than dragon scales and still lighter than cloth. But indeed would be nice having weight...it was fun at D&D to have STR requeriment at certain weapons because they were "too heavy" for a common dude to fight with...just like he lowering performance as his inventory start getting heavier... ^^

[Scape]

Tera Online might be more for you if you want things that don't make sense, like swinging around a 200lb weapon as if it weighed nothing.

[Lienn]

Tera Online might be more for you if you want things that don't make sense, like swinging around a 200lb weapon as if it weighed nothing.

Why swing it there if i can do it here! ^^ Until weapons receive the weight at their description i just assume they're made of isopor and painted properly like those TV shows! =P

Also, when comes to weight we aso need to think about size too...because a 2-handed axe for a lalafat is an 1-handed axe for a Highlander and a throwing axe for a Roe (lol Roes would be able to throw a lalafaf axe even if the lala was still holding it lol)! Anyway...if the things shrink when they come from a Roe to a lala, why not having extra light weight?

[Rentahamster]

MRD isn't that bad. Can tank decently well and outdamage a GLA tank to boot.

[VydarrTyr]

Agreed. The problem with Mar as a tank is damage mitigation. That shield cuts out a ton of damage that a Glad would otherwise take. And since MP costs and enmity from Cure spells have been increased, damage mitigation is really important.

That's not to say that people can't tank on Marauders. They absolutely can, as people in this thread and elsewhere have shown. But it's hard to find a party that's willing to let you try it when there's a Glad available.

[Zkieve]

I rather have a big increase on damage output since we dont have big hitters classes.

[Physic]

If they want mrd to have slow attacks, they should have more dmg to compensate.

Annnd i still dont see why basic attacks have long delays, it doesnt help any melee class, and reduces job uniquness when those skills lose thier utility due to long cool downs, and just become extra tp moves