Should we be limited to only one craft class?

[DNO]

is the same shit.maxed specialized MAXIMUM POWER AVAILABLE.i think is clear enough.But ill dig and edit it again since it bothers you.

thats why i stopped people think not doing everything in a class you capped is not limiting it lol... crazy i know.

[OMEGA_HACK]

I never said there would be, and I don't think there ever will. I am merely stating that leveling a DoH class =/= specializing in a DoH class.

For example we can use real life degrees, my degree for example is: Bachelor in the Fine Arts, but that alone encompasses ALL the Fine Arts (music, acting, painting, sculpting, etc) In my case I've specialized in Acting.

Same basic principle would apply to this, HOWEVER you would only be able to specialize ONE of the DoH classes, unlike real life were I could go back to school and get another degree in whatever and specialize that degree into 'abcxyz'.

So I said that Fact 2 is not really fact because they never said specifically that you won't be able to level classes past 50, we might be able to get them all to 100 but again, would only be able to specialize into one of them.

[Zkieve]

I never said there would be, and I don't think there ever will. I am merely stating that leveling a DoH class =/= specializing in a DoH class.

For example we can use real life degrees, my degree for example is: Bachelor in the Fine Arts, but that alone encompasses ALL the Fine Arts (music, acting, painting, sculpting, etc) In my case I've specialized in Acting.

Same basic principle would apply to this, HOWEVER you would only be able to specialize ONE of the DoH classes, unlike real life were I could go back to school and get another degree in whatever and specialize that degree into 'abcxyz'.

So I said that Fact 2 is not really fact because they never said specifically that you won't be able to level classes past 50, we might be able to get them all to 100 but again, would only be able to specialize into one of them.

You know you are changing around very simple thins into a hell of a hard to understand theory ?.I cant be clearer maxed is maxed, you touched the roof there is nothing more in that direction .

Stop comparing crafting to something else, in crafting , you will always need to/want to be at max, becouse thats were the shinnies are at, while you might think in the way there you can get some goodies, is not even 5% of what you can at the rooftop.it is reality in the MMo´s crafting.

Making a storm in a glass of water.IT IS in fact as simple as it is exposed.

[OMEGA_HACK]

There is most definitely a BIG difference between maximum and specialized/specialization and here are the definitions just in case you don't believe me.

Specialize

Maximum

And just to note, I'm not trying to argue with anyone in the thread, I'm merely trying to enlighten.

Edit: Then you are misusing the words I am afraid. For example, you seem to be a nice person in general but at the moment you are specialized into being angry with me, you are taking that anger to the maximum. Hope that helps.

[Zkieve]

There is most definitely a BIG difference between maximum and specialized/specialization and here are the definitions just in case you don't believe me.

Specialize

Maximum

And just to note, I'm not trying to argue with anyone in the thread, I'm merely trying to enlighten.

no you are using semantics to make an argument were there is none.Do you even know we are speaking about a mmo here ?.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Yes in fact I am using Semantics: (the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development) to show you your word choice is misleading and in fact skews fact with falsehood.

Therefore your Fact #2 and #3 are not fact at all, they are merely speculations.

[Zkieve]

Yes in fact I am using Semantics: (the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development) to show you your word choice is misleading and in fact skews fact with falsehood.

Therefore your Fact #2 and #3 are not fact at all, they are merely speculations.

Ok Mr i use semantics becouse i dont have anythin better to add to the discussion.

let me spell it out for you clear and nicely.

Goldsmith specialization#1 necklager.---> reach max into this specialization YOU ARE MAXED .
Goldsmith specialization#2 ringmaker---> reach max into this specialization YOU ARE MAXED .

is that really so hard to understand ?.please tell me how is that different . getting all abilities into that speculation of specializations is not being maxed ? seriously ,,

You are simply ignoring what i have been saying to debate about your idea (and i like your idea btw) of how specialization should work.Im sorry your wrong. facts are facts. Max is max.In terms of abilities/skills/levels/whatever you want to call it.
Stop making shit up.

The moment you used semantics to make my point less or more valid is the moment i stopped taking you seriously, i dont play that way.

Edit:So let me reword it again in a nicer way,
if i specialize in 1 wing of my craft 1 "specialization" per char means i can not undertake different specialization, witch means i have to make a mule and reroll then take a different path, leading to the same dead end.You are specialized into that 1 class/job/specialization whatever you wanna call it, if you wish to do somethin else , you have to reroll.hence for you have maxed that class in question.you cant upgrade it anymore.

i was imagining if this "specialization" thing proved to carry over Dow and Dom to and they couldnt change that wing of choice. I could see so much rage incoming. XD.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Caddy remarks will get you no where in life, but that is besides the point, the point is and I quote your post that brought this up

Fact #2

This will only apply when the leve cap is over 50 , so current equipment /leves in crafts wont be altered.

Fact #3

If system is changed and you want multiple crafts maxed you will have to pay extra and reroll sub crafts.

You make the assumption in Fact #3 that we would have to level up multiple characters to get all the crafting classes to the maximum ranks, there is no denying this you said it above. I disagree we don't know if that is the fact yet, who is to say that specialization is ranks 51+? No one, as this is not a known fact; specialization could mean Disciples of the Hand will be getting Jobs similar to that of the Disciples of War and Magic. Which are basically titles that restrict you from doing certain things but in turn give you stuff to specialize in.

In the case of the DoH the only thing you will be restricted from doing is being specialized in multiple crafts (so using an example that uses the same craft only skews the idea more) If you wish to truly understand the system that I'm speculating then look no further than the Advanced Jobs thread I've created, in it there is a portion that discusses both the Disciples of the Land and the Hand.

Also, I provided you with the definition of semantics to shed some light on you that its not necessarily a derogatory term, while Political Semantics usually is; again this is off the topic.

Furthermore, you could even say that the specialization won't restrict you from what you already know, to use your example, if you become a Pendant Maker or Necklacer what ever you wish to name it, you won't lose the knowledge to forge rings or bracers or wands, you'd merely gain MORE knowledge on how to make even better necklaces. That is why I don't think people are seeing this the right way, if you can only craft the item through specialization then you are not losing any past crafting knowledge, you're making a choice.

I really hope that helps, if not then I feel I have done all I can to enlighten you in the matter and route they will more than likely take on this endeavor of 'specialization'.

[Zkieve]

Caddy remarks will get you no where in life, but that is besides the point, the point is and I quote your post that brought this up



You make the assumption in Fact #3 that we would have to level up multiple characters to get all the crafting classes to the maximum ranks, there is no denying this you said it above. I disagree we don't know if that is the fact yet, who is to say that specialization is ranks 51+? No one, as this is not a known fact; specialization could mean Disciples of the Hand will be getting Jobs similar to that of the Disciples of War and Magic. Which are basically titles that restrict you from doing certain things but in turn give you stuff to specialize in.

In the case of the DoH the only thing you will be restricted from doing is being specialized in multiple crafts (so using an example that uses the same craft only skews the idea more) If you wish to truly understand the system that I'm speculating then look no further than the Advanced Jobs thread I've created, in it there is a portion that discusses both the Disciples of the Land and the Hand.

Also, I provided you with the definition of semantics to shed some light on you that its not necessarily a derogatory term, while Political Semantics usually is; again this is off the topic.

Furthermore, you could even say that the specialization won't restrict you from what you already know, to use your example, if you become a Pendant Maker or Necklacer what ever you wish to name it, you won't lose the knowledge to forge rings or bracers or wands, you'd merely gain MORE knowledge on how to make even better necklaces. That is why I don't think people are seeing this the right way, if you can only craft the item through specialization then you are not losing any past crafting knowledge, you're making a choice.

I really hope that helps, if not then I feel I have done all I can to enlighten you in the matter and route they will more than likely take on this endeavor of 'specialization'.

You know you are completely ignoring my comments and going on and on about your idea of how the class system should be done.

I think you are a nice guy to but you just don't seem to get it.I cant explained it any better than i have so i rest my case.

[OMEGA_HACK]

At any rate all we know is complete speculation anyway, like you've stated coming from Square-Enix that this is something for much later down the road, after jobs and Ishgard and Chocobos and all that. A lot could change, and probably will change from here until there.

My main concern what to not confuse Maxed level with specialized (because being specialized doesn't always mean you are max); yes it's word play but with all the changes and stuff going around I feel its at its utmost importance to make sure we are all conveying information correctly and without confusion.