We have finally come full circle, SMN's need help!

[Zholi]

Sorry, but your SMN must be pretty bad for you to think these things. If you, a SMN, are pushing bottom DPS in every fight, your flat out bad. SMN is easily not the weakest DPS in the game right now, even ahead of BRD, to address the OP.

If you're pushing 550-600 dps in any fight, you're a liar.

And I know people of every other class who pull more than 463 in 13.

My SMN is not pretty bad. I have all of DnT's SMNs (before this patch since they all swapped classes because SMN is bad), to compare to, and we all did about the same DPS. I did more than the other SMNs before they switched this patch. I cleared all of coil except 13 on the first week.

[Crevox]

If you're pushing 550-600 dps in any fight, you're a liar.

Who said I was doing 550-600? The highest recorded BLM DPS right now on T13 is 515.2, and that is under extreme optimal scenarios (NIN, BRD, 126 ilvl, dreadwyrm weapon).

I currently do around 462-463, and I think that's pretty good considering my gear, how bad you think Summoner is, the fact I don't have a Ninja, my non-dreadwyrm weapon, etc. Certainly doesn't seem bad. Definitely not unplayable as many users in this thread are suggesting.

Why are you whining about Summoner if you have Summoners that do good DPS in T13? You're confusing, not going to bother taking this any further with you.

[Zholi]

Who said I was doing 550-600? The highest recorded BLM DPS right now on T13 is 515.2, and that is under extreme optimal scenarios (NIN, BRD, 126 ilvl, dreadwyrm weapon).

I currently do around 462-463, and I think that's pretty good considering my gear, how bad you think Summoner is, the fact I don't have a Ninja, my non-dreadwyrm weapon, etc. Certainly doesn't seem bad. Definitely not unplayable as many users in this thread are suggesting.

Why are you whining about Summoner if you have Summoners that do good DPS in T13? You're confusing, not going to bother taking this any further with you.

You said you were top DPS in 10-12, which would put you at 550-600. T13 is the fight SMN has the least/no trouble with.

[Elazu]

SMN is easily the weakest DPS in the game right now, even behind BRD, to address the OP.

That is such a blatant lie.

[Suggestion]

Summoners have a hard time contributing to the fight early on. Unless you use the right rotation your kinda of just there (the good ones can make a difference tho ive been witness to this). Srs i used to complain about mana issues also. Then a better smn slapped me in the face and said your doing it wrong kid. (so i got better) I would be awesome in extreme primals. Then one day i df into a group of players for Titan ex, We skipped phases with out any echo buff. It was mind madding i didn't have time to put my dots on, i must have gone through 3 dot rotation and that was only when i got 2 off and put the last one on after he jumped and came back down. I literally switched to just direct spells until the final phase which didn't last long either. I felt pathetic i new i had to have been the worst dps there. The only thing i contributed to that fight was that i never died to the mechanics.

That was really the only time i have ever been truly envious of the direct dps classes.

[Crevox]

Summoners have a hard time contributing to the fight early on.

Summoners are pretty close to BRD on how much DPS you burst out at the start. I usually peak at like 700-800 on a single target shortly after the fight starts, and it slowly dwindles down to my steady DPS from there. This is thanks to opening with Foe (possibly BV), a Rouse+Spurred Enkindle, heavy Fester burning thanks to double Aetherflow, etc.

Titan Extreme can require some burst damage for the rocks, so saving some Aetherflow to energy drain them (if necessary) and properly directing your pet helps. You can offset the DPS loss by being more greedy with your rotation to push more DPS thanks to the extra MP you'll be getting.

[Zholi]

That is such a blatant lie.

Just using DnT's internal parse data.

And to the other posts, SMN is very strong early in a fight but drops off the longer it goes.

[Suggestion]

Summoners are pretty close to BRD on how much DPS you burst out at the start. I usually peak at like 700-800 on a single target shortly after the fight starts, and it slowly dwindles down to my steady DPS from there. This is thanks to opening with Foe (possibly BV), a Rouse+Spurred Enkindle, heavy Fester burning thanks to double Aetherflow, etc.

It feels like you literally read the first sentence of my post. And then felt the need to determine i needed advice as to how to start the burst rotation which i stated in the sentence exactly after the first sentence that you stopped reading. I want you to know i made sure i understood everything you had said i even went through your post 4 times. Your welcome

[Crevox]

It feels like you literally read the first sentence of my post. And then felt the need to determine i needed advice as to how to start the burst rotation which i stated in the sentence exactly after the first sentence that you stopped reading. I want you to know i made sure i understood everything you had said i even went through your post 4 times. Your welcome

You say they're bad at it, then immediately say "oh well if you use the right rotation they're not bad." This goes for any job. My point is they're actually the best, or close to best, nowhere even close to bad.

What was the point of your post at all? "If someone doesn't know how to play, they do badly." Yeah, that's usually the case.

There's really no reason to be rude about it; I wasn't. Apparently *my bad* for not fully understanding what you're trying to say, especially when your grammar was flawed.

Just using DnT's internal parse data.

Sounds super magical and 100% accurate in all cases.

Oh well, my point has been made in this thread. People should open their eyes and try to do better on Summoner instead of just having a slight amount of difficulty and just throwing their arms in the air and saying "whelp, I give up, SMN is broken, time to play another job, plsSEbuffjob, because it must be broken if I can't play it well." Or, not even not play it well, just assume it's bad because it has to gear slightly more accuracy and gear around a stat that's not as good for it.

Shrug. Whatever ends up happening, I hope it doesn't ruin the job. I'm just tired of trying to explain to people with actual numbers and facts and anecdotes of my experiences as a Summoner in end game how Summoner is not terrible like they seem to think it is. Regardless of that, people still just keep hoping for a buff anyways and deciding to avoid it until it gets it. I can't teach you to like or enjoy Summoner. If you like the job, play the job. The job is fine. If you're having difficulty, try to get better instead of asking for a buff we don't need. I'm always more than willing to give advice and help people learn, in game or otherwise, as I've already done for multiple Summoners on my server.

[rickyguo]

I currently do around 462-463, and I think that's pretty good considering my gear, how bad you think Summoner is, the fact I don't have a Ninja, my non-dreadwyrm weapon, etc. Certainly doesn't seem bad. Definitely not unplayable as many users in this thread are suggesting.

Why are you whining about Summoner if you have Summoners that do good DPS in T13? You're confusing, not going to bother taking this any further with you.

how are you top dps in t10-t12 doing 46x?

the only class you can conceivably beat at that dps are bards without disembowel

all melees will beat you by like 50-100 and the blm will beat you by like 50 or something