43 Kills on T9 and still no spear found

[Staris]

This is why the need to implement the token system... I get so tired of running some content over and over again to never get rewarded. At least with Shiva Extreme they show some promise with the 100% drops each win.

except its working, because your still running the content.
If you had your tokens and were done, you would by definition have less to do in the game, and make them less money.

I would gear faster myself if they had tokens, I realize this. However, I also realize that tons of people who already raid log, would be long gone and playing a new mmo.
Them playing is paying for our content.

Just look up any psychology textbook on the most effective modifiers of behavior.
Is it scheduled interval rewards (tokens)
or random interval rewards (RNG)

Complain all you want, if they change it they lose money.
The tomes / carboncoat / twine / system is already a compromise.

[Able]

I have no problem with the rng loot system. There's effectively already a token system in the game with the tome gear/weapon alternative. I'm in favor of leaving the loot system for raid drops in its current form.

[Lazka]

im joining the ship now...
1 week in SCoB... still no luck with axe... and HA coat...
is that really2 rare?
oh btw consider the DF party too.. not always DF is smart enough to clear t9...
-_-

[DeadRiser]

except its
The tomes / carboncoat / twine / system is already a compromise.

So running the same thing, over, and over, and over again is fair? If someone else is lucky to get theirs on their first run?

At least with a token system, you are WORKING towards something. Going in their knowing there is a high chance your item is not dropping is very depressing.
And NOBODY said you get two tokens, you get a free item. I'm talking a couple of tokens for everything except chest, legs, and arm.

I mean, look at atma.... That is one of your "alternate" methods, yet it's still RNG. I did Snowcloack at least 15 times so far for my relic, and 21 Stone Vigils. That's NOT including the other dungeons I had to do where luck was involved.
Guild Wars 2 has a token system for all dungeons and there are still a ton of people that religiously ran the dungeons right before I had stopped playing.

[Staris]

So running the same thing, over, and over, and over again is fair? If someone else is lucky to get theirs on their first run?

its fair because everyone has plenty of time to get to full i90, i110 or i130 before new content is released, regardless of luck due to the tokens already in game.
the drops are just little dings on the slot machine that keep you chugging along.

[Ashkendor]

That doesn't suffice. A lot of the poetics type gear is trash and I'm not wasting points on trash.

Some of the coil gear is pretty trash too, though.

It's basically glamour gear.

[Karen_Cerfrumos]

Allagan Healer Body: 85 kills of T4 (2 drops overrolled)
Allagan Healer Circlet: 1st kill of T2 since I've started farming for the set.
That's where I lost all my luck though
Legs: ~17 successful T5 clears with no drop (not counting failed parties)
Hands: ~20 T1 clears with no drop
Feet: ~14 T2 clears (hard to queue into at any time of the week) with no drop after the circlet run

But I see right-side all the damn time to the point where I'm about to believe it actually has higher drop rate (do I need 10 casting chokers? I sure do! Give me more casting chokers!)
Usefulness of this set does not correlate with the difficulty anymore.

Before that it took me about 25 clears to get High Allagan healer pants, 10 more for the SCH book, 25 Ramuh clears for Judgement healing ring.
During entire 2.4 only ever seen 4 Antique Mails of which I won just 1.
RNG is brutal.
Just to top it off, took The Final Witness without having seen a single Dreadwyrm healing item.

My biggest hope is that at some point in Heavensward raid sets are moved elsewhere, much like ultra-rare Darklight from 1.xx eventually became 4-man glamour fodder.

[LunaHoshino]

My FC saw the spear drop on our second kill.

The sad irony is that neither I nor the other DRG main in our static were in the party for that run.

[The-Real-Link]

It's RNG and in any MMO so kind of have just gotten used to it. Like was said, a 20-30 token set per piece would allow some slow working toward gear for people who've just been crapped on with bad luck, but that's otherwise just the game for you.

In FFXIV, I know one of my friends ran T9 63 times before he got his bow. I ran Leviathan probably about 70 times when it was current and ever saw a single mirror. I've yet to see any BRD gear from second coil, though I've not run it a ton and I understand that.

20ish Shiva clears, no bow.

Meanwhile in WoW for example, I've gone 2-3 months without getting a weapon upgrade from final raid. One of my friends went 8 months. But raids, especially endgame ones last far longer there. Sure WoW does give you 3 extra token rolls a week which is nice but again it doesn't guarantee loot.

I don't mind the loot as-is, however a token system to (very) slowly allow bad luck to be compensated for wouldn't be a bad idea.