Revelations from Final Coil [SPOILERS]

[Anonymoose]

With Odin, did anyone note his original form prior to the first time he was even beaten on a server?

Yes. Back then, people didn't really know the difference between Odin with a player-title and without, so nobody really identified the image with being "actual Odin," but (if I remember correctly), Odin unclaimed with no title appears as an old Duskwight Elezen with his hair tied up and possible facial scarring. It may also be a unique model. Digging through all the images of him I can find, I believe these to be his true form.

[Sapphic]

Yes. Back then, people didn't really know the difference between Odin with a player-title and without, so nobody really identified the image with being "actual Odin," but (if I remember correctly), Odin unclaimed with no title appears as an old Duskwight Elezen with his hair tied up and possible facial scarring. It may also be a unique model. Digging through all the images of him I can find, I believe these to be his true form.

But due to Odin assuming the shape of the one who defeated him. That then raises the question of is that his true form, or the form of the one who imprisoned him at Urths?

If I remember my lore correctly, Elezen lived under the shroud and thus it could be feasible that they defeated Odin and imprisoned him, not the Allagans which would explain his "original form". Or Odin was one of the Elezen living un the shroud....

So many questions to speculate upon XD

[Toranja]

But due to Odin assuming the shape of the one who defeated him. That then raises the question of is that his true form, or the form of the one who imprisoned him at Urths?

If I remember my lore correctly, Elezen lived under the shroud and thus it could be feasible that they defeated Odin and imprisoned him, not the Allagans which would explain his "original form". Or Odin was one of the Elezen living un the shroud....

So many questions to speculate upon XD

Nope. It was the Allagans. This happened in the 3rd Astral Era.

[Balipu]

So, I guess its safe to say that the song "Answers" is the tortured Meracydians basically crying out through Bahamut? With the "my children" lines being Bahamut speaking to them? "The soul yearns for honor, and the flesh the hereafter"... They wanted vengeance and they wanted to die.

I'm just sitting here, listening to the song again, struck by the sadness of it.

The song makes a lot more sense now.

Watch it with the video:

Just as Dalamud is descending -Release your hands, for your will drags us under
Dalamud cracking open after thousand of years -The Land is alive, so believe...
While the warriors of "light" look on defiantly ready to fight -Now open your eyes while our plight is repeated
Just as the scions begin to pray for the twelve to re-seal Bahamut -Bearing sins of the past, for our future is taken

Dang. Feal like a complete douche now. Gonna go and cry now a bit.

I was thinking Odin was being kept summoned by adventurers (aka player characters) unknowingly 'praying' to him. He's someone who people want to challenge to a duel to prove their might and thus that what's continues sustains his existence. So basically we became his 'beastmen'.

This actually makes sense. I mean when I finally got to fight Odin I was really looking for him for weeks. Wow, now I am even more of a douche. Still, who were the originals?

Yes. Back then, people didn't really know the difference between Odin with a player-title and without, so nobody really identified the image with being "actual Odin," but (if I remember correctly), Odin unclaimed with no title appears as an old Duskwight Elezen with his hair tied up and possible facial scarring. It may also be a unique model. Digging through all the images of him I can find, I believe these to be his true form.

Wait, so he originally didn't have a helmet?! Damn I miss out on all the good stuff.

[Anonymoose]

The song makes a lot more sense now.

Don't forget, Answers was written well before Yoshida asked to bring Dalamud down and have Bahamut break out of it. It's quite hard to pin down what the song is actually about because it's quite easy to retrofit it to lots of sentiments. The biggest clue we have is that the word forsaken appears in it, which is a word Koji Fox has said he's worked into many primal-related things.

Wait, so he originally didn't have a helmet?! Damn I miss out on all the good stuff.

Odin's mask only comes on when he's engaged in battle. If you can find him unclaimed, he'll be unmasked with the face of the player that's his current title. If you find him unclaimed without a player title at all, the scarred Elezen is his default appearance... if I remember correctly, always an important subclause, lol

[Balipu]

Don't forget, Answers was written well before Yoshida asked to bring Dalamud down and have Bahamut break out of it. It's quite hard to pin down what the song is actually about because it's quite easy to retrofit it to lots of sentiments. The biggest clue we have is that the word forsaken appears in it, which is a word Koji Fox has said he's worked into many primal-related things.


Odin's mask only comes on when he's engaged in battle. If you can find him unclaimed, he'll be unmasked with the face of the player that's his current title. If you find him unclaimed without a player title at all, the scarred Elezen is his default appearance... if I remember correctly, always an important subclause, lol

I did find him alone, but it was dark so i couldn't really see the helmet.
As for Answers, well likely it originally referred to a lot of other things, but later, Bahamut's story was worked around the song. Think about it. In ARR we only hear Answers during the coil, with remixes all over the place, and the actual theme during the Bahamut Prime battle.

It is his theme now. He is a he, right? The song had me thiking, but B is referred to as a dragon king, so...yeah

[treuhavik]

Odin's mask only comes on when he's engaged in battle. If you can find him unclaimed, he'll be unmasked with the face of the player that's his current title. If you find him unclaimed without a player title at all, the scarred Elezen is his default appearance... if I remember correctly, always an important subclause, lol

Proved easily with the addition of Urth's Font trial.

As for Answers, well likely it originally referred to a lot of other things, but later, Bahamut's story was worked around the song. Think about it. In ARR we only hear Answers during the coil, with remixes all over the place, and the actual theme during the Bahamut Prime battle.

It is his theme now. He is a he, right? The song had me thiking, but B is referred to as a dragon king, so...yeah

Well, kinda. It's the theme of the seventh umbral era now, and the Coil story-line was meant to wrap all that stuff up. Still, it's a damn good fit through the eyes of a Mericydian.

[Sapphic]

Odin's mask only comes on when he's engaged in battle. If you can find him unclaimed, he'll be unmasked with the face of the player that's his current title. If you find him unclaimed without a player title at all, the scarred Elezen is his default appearance... if I remember correctly, always an important subclause, lol

Well it has supplied a new basis for why Odin keeps appearing.

That Odin is the Sword, the weilder is just the tempered person who last deteated Odin and took up the sword. That the sword contains enough Aether to temper the wielder. The duskwright Elezan was probably the first one to find the Sword after it was freed

[Balipu]

Well it has supplied a new basis for why Odin keeps appearing.

That Odin is the Sword, the weilder is just the tempered person who last deteated Odin and took up the sword. That the sword contains enough Aether to temper the wielder. The duskwright Elezan was probably the first one to find the Sword after it was freed

So Odin is actually a

concentrated blade of aether

. Problem solved.

[Sapphic]

So Odin is actually a

concentrated blade of aether

. Problem solved.

Making it that which was contained within Urths, clamaity broke the seal, some one came along saw the big shiny sword, picked it up and went all I....Have... THE....POWEEEERRR! and become Odin.

(Bonus cookies if anyone gets the easter egg quote I did thar :P )