Let Players Speed Run Again

[Zedd702]

Again, do any regular run of ANY dungeon (pulling no more than one enemy pack at a time) in the game with 3 other competent players. Do that dungeon regularly. Post your time. I'll make a video of doing a speed run of that dungeon with the exact same ilvl of your group has and I'll beat that time doing a speed run by at least 10 minutes.

I remember people not believing that you could easily do 8-10 minute brayflox HM speed runs when it first came out.

Not gonna argue and go back and forth about this when I know you are incorrect on the matter. Further I said with the exception of a dungeon or two that can be ran in a shorter time, Brayflox is def one of those that come to mind.

Fact is I BET you are comparing time shaving based on a team that stops every mob for a random afk, bio, bologna sandwich, cat aggro etc. Speed runs DO NOT save 15-20 minutes when you compare it to a normal run without interruptions...

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Jinraya: You've got a good 5 minute idea, now expand on it. Where will it be located? What type of enemies will be there? What bosses. What relevant reason (lore-wise) would it have to run it? Where will you place chests if randomly generated? How about the loot tables for the chests? What special ideas will you try that haven't been done yet, besides random elements? Any special mechanics for the boss fights? How will you balance it for casters? How will you balance it for melee?

I'm not shooting your idea down at all. I like it actually. But I said all that to show that it does take more than 5 minutes to come up with an idea for an instance. You may dislike what exists now, but don't think there wasn't work or planning that went into it.

[Noahlimits]

Not gonna argue and go back and forth about this when I know you are incorrect on the matter. Further I said with the exception of a dungeon or two that can be ran in a shorter time, Brayflox is def one of those that come to mind.

Fact is I BET you are comparing time shaving based on a team that stops every mob for a random afk, bio, bologna sandwich, cat aggro etc. Speed runs DO NOT save 15-20 minutes when you compare it to a normal run without interruptions...

Then give me a time your average run takes in ANY dungeon not speed running. Again, ANY dungeon. I'll beat that time by 10 minutes doing a speed run and post a video of it online with the same party ilvl.

There's no argument here. I'm 100% confident I will destroy the time you post. Just post any time with proof that's how long it took you. I'll even take your word you didn't speed run it to get that time and I'll beat it by at least 10 minutes.

And I said 10-20 minutes faster. Not 15-20.

[Zedd702]

Jinraya: You've got a good 5 minute idea, now expand on it. Where will it be located? What type of enemies will be there? What bosses. What relevant reason (lore-wise) would it have to run it? Where will you place chests if randomly generated? How about the loot tables for the chests? What special ideas will you try that haven't been done yet, besides random elements? Any special mechanics for the boss fights? How will you balance it for casters? How will you balance it for melee?

I'm not shooting your idea down at all. I like it actually. But I said all that to show that it does take more than 5 minutes to come up with an idea for an instance. You may dislike what exists now, but don't think there wasn't work or planning that went into it.

Actually I saw that post too and I liked the idea of that crystal he mentioned that would port the players in different areas. That would be an interesting mechanic to deal with...

Then give me a time your average run takes in ANY dungeon not speed running. Again, ANY dungeon. I'll beat that time by 10 minutes doing a speed run and post a video of it online with the same party ilvl.

There's no argument here. I'm 100% confident I will destroy the time you post. Just post any time with proof that's how long it took you. I'll even take your word you didn't speed run it to get that time and I'll beat it by at least 10 minutes.

This is a waste of my time... I don't record anything.

You are not listening to what I said and now I see why you take a liking to anything Yumi_umi said in the past because she does not make much sense either.

Here we go I'm gonna state it one more time: Speed runs do NOT save 15-20 minutes, more like 5-7, maybe 8 minutes and at best 10, nothing as significant as 15-20 minutes...

[Noahlimits]

Here we go I'm gonna state it one more time: Speed runs do NOT save 15-20 minutes, more like 5-7, maybe 8 minutes and at best 10, nothing as significant of 15-20 minutes...

I'll just take you at your word then since you don't make videos. Start a online stop watch when you start ANY dungeon in the game. Give me that time. I'll just take you at your word that the time is legit. And I'll prove a speed run destroys that time by posting a video doing so.

I think you just don't want to be proved incredibly wrong. And 10 minutes fall under the 10-20 minute ratio I gave. I never said 15-20, so I'm not sure why you keep saying that.

[Zedd702]

And 10 minutes fall under the 10-20 minute ratio I gave. I never said 15-20, so I'm not sure why you keep saying that.

Unless I missed something 10-20 includes the numbers 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and oh 20... that's why I said that. So If you had left it at 10 minutes I may have been inclined to agree with you from the start and not even mention the 2-3 minute window difference.

And actually you said 10-20+

I have to STRONGLY disagree here. If done properly speed runs save you 10-20+ minutes than going mob by mob. More so in certain dungeons.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I for one wouldn't mind a "puzzle" dungeon, where there's few enemy encounters, but moreso short puzzles needed to be figured out to progress. Failures for solutions could result in either enemy encounters, or perhaps a buff to the next enemy encountered (for example, a wrong key or combination could either spawn or buff the attack of an enemy). For the types who like it fast, perhaps upon entering an area, the time taken to solve the puzzle would affect either a number of chests or the loot table applied to it.

Or hell, give us a chocobo dungeon with a Chocobo Eater boss. We'd all get a kick out of that.

[Noahlimits]

Unless I missed something 10-20 includes the numbers 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and oh 20... that's why I said that. So If you had left it at 10 minutes I may have been inclined to agree with you from the start and not even mention the 2-3 minute window difference.

And actually you said 10-20+

Yes, 10-20 includes 15-20. However, 15-20 does not include all of 10-20. Do you not understand? Saying 15-20 means that at minimum, one would be finishing AT LEAST 15 minutes before. 10-14 would not be included in you saying 15-20. That's why your statement is invalid. The reason it fluctuates between 10-20 is because it matters which dungeon you pick. With the MINIMUM being 10 minutes faster and the max being 20+ as initially said.

And I see you're ignoring the request because you know you'll be proven wrong.

[Zedd702]

Yes, 10-20 includes 15-20. However, 15-20 does not include 10-20. Do you not understand? Saying 15-20 means that at minimum, one would be finishing AT LEAST 15 minutes before. 10-14 would not be included in you saying 15-20. That's why your statement is invalid.

And I see you're ignoring the request because you know you'll be proven wrong.

LOL ok Yumi Jr.

I said that I DO NOT record anything...

Further had you said 5-10 minutes, you would not have gotten a peep out of me, but rather a thumbs up or a liked post... I'm not here to show e-peen battles for best time on SR. I've had pretty fast SR many times. I don't have anything to prove to you. Even with the provocation that I do ignore...

AS for your edit:

Yes, 10-20 includes 15-20. However, 15-20 does not include all of 10-20. Do you not understand? Saying 15-20 means that at minimum, one would be finishing AT LEAST 15 minutes before. 10-14 would not be included in you saying 15-20. That's why your statement is invalid. The reason it fluctuates between 10-20 is because it matters which dungeon you pick. With the MINIMUM being 10 minutes faster and the max being 20+ as initially said.

And I see you're ignoring the request because you know you'll be proven wrong.

AGAIN you are stating that you can potentially save 20+ minutes with a SR. You. Can. NOT. end of story. Max is 10 minutes, with the exception of mere seconds...

[Noahlimits]

LOL ok Yumi Jr.

I said that I DO NOT record anything...

Further had you said 5-10 minutes, you would not have gotten a peep out of me, but rather a thumbs up or a liked post... I'm not here to show e-peen battles for best time on SR. I've had pretty fast SR many times. I don't have anything to prove to you. Even with the provocation that I do ignore...

And apparently you can't read; I'm not ASKING you to record anything. Just OBSERVE what time you went into a dungeon and what time you FINISHED the dungeon. If that's too complicated for you I'm not sure what to say. You just don't want to be proven to be wrong.

AGAIN you are stating that you can potentially save 20+ minutes with a SR. You. Can. NOT. end of story. Max is 10 minutes, with the exception of mere seconds...

And I'm saying I can. I'm willing to give proof of doing so, too. Not every dungeon can be finished 20 minutes faster than not speed running, but some can. DD and Aurum Vale come to mind off the top of my head as two dungeons that can be cleared 20+ minutes faster by speed running. But all I'm getting from you are excuses.

Also; everyone who seems to argue with you is a t13 clearer. I'd think twice about arguing mechanics and game principals with people who have that much more knowledge and skill on the game than you. But knowing you, you'll ignore the point again and make your next post just going off about elitists.