Healers tanking low level dungeons

[Zedd702]

Intergalactic mumbo jumbo

I got choo ThirdChild!

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Actually, I didn't kite. Obviously dodged some aoes, but no need to kite. See for yourself. Healer's first run BTW. (And this was back when it was still Expert. I was i96 with an Atma Bow)

And that was just one of them. Look up "NT Halatali" while you're there. I did that too. Not bragging, but before you wave it off, take a look.

[lulunami]

I do it cuz my golden rule is if no one dies and enemies die then idc how the tanks feel cuz ik for a fact dps don't care cuz all they want is for stuff to stand still and die fast. They don't care if ur hp while tanking stays at 80%+, they just care if u get it done clean and fast.
If tank gets pissed off etc then let them, these dungeons can technically be solo'd * takes a while/ lots of kiting * , duod or trio.
I also tell them they can afk till we reach boss so you'll at least be somewhat useful in the run.

Why not do both, tank and dps and ofc heal urself.
Not really trying to sound like the "badguy" but honestly i bet 70%+ of the player base don't really care what ppl do as long as they get the dungeons done quick and clean.
I've done this tank business in every dungeon already and know my limits and what can kill me etc.
i got lots of commendations and praise from my fellow party members cuz sometimes there just isn't a tank qeuing in progress for brayflox and someone has to do the job.
^^

I do not understand why people are giving you such are difficult time with these responses. I learned a lot from reading your posts.

[Chihaya]

Though seem as the unpopular view in this thread... I'd side with yumi/ellatrix. As long healers keep the party alive within reasonable bounds - as in people are not actively trying to kill themselves, they can do whatever they want.

It's a failure of the design forcing high level players back in low level dungeons with animus books/low level roulette where they just want to gtfo asap (Doesn't change they are being a bit of an ass). Yes, it makes the queues shorter for people queuing for low level dungeons but look at the QQ in this thread.

And also healers being OP low level especially SCHs being able to solo majority of the low level dungeons.

EDIT: Reading Wintersandman's post below and some of the post saying instead of rushing forward, teach people how to do their jobs: I typically get the "f*ck u, don't tell me how to play my job" type of response from lowbies I'm trying to teach to the point now I don't give a damn anymore and carry on with my "elitist" stuff as people calls it.

[Wintersandman]

I have done this and I have frowned upon it. Having leveled all classes to 50 I have experienced every type of player in a dungeon run. The whm who cast medica just to do it and would go oom. Then the tank who would spam riot blade and wouldn't pick up adds.


WHM example, as a tank I watched a healer spam medica saying that he didn't want people's health to get low. I politely explained if you wouldn't spam that then there would be less of an issue. So he continued and then I watched him quickly die, since most of the pulls were fair sized. He quickly listened.

PLD and War who didn't hold threat. As a whm or a scholar I would watch a tank pull incredibly slow then wouldn't bother with any AoE ability. One heal and I get threat, I end up tanking anyways. I try to talk but they ignore me. Which happens quite regularly. You talk to people in DF and get no response. Since I am tanking, I decide to go at my own pace. DPS gladly agree because they see my frustration. They see me try and are happier because they don't want to be there any longer.

One time in Thousand Maws I had a Gladiator that wasn't holding threat and I ended up tanking until he got fed up and dropped. New tank came in and knew what he was doing and I sat back and healed.

I would care if the healer was intentionally being a bad guy and would say something. But if the tank isn't even trying and won't respond then I am not going to sweat it. I am going to do my job and if that means I end up tanking then so be it. Also there have been soo many bad players coming in who don't respond or know it all I think the community is exhausted.

[Ellatrix]

Nobody listens to criticism, the most common response is "its my sub fee I play how i want i do my shit you do yours".

The best way to get through to them is to leave them dead the entire run then finish it easily without them, then thank them for their contribution.

[Zedd702]

I do not understand why people are giving you such are difficult time with these responses. I learned a lot from reading your posts.

Please enlighten me on exactly what you learned from those posts you quoted, please. I really want to hear this... And no I am not joking either.

Though seem as the unpopular view in this thread... I'd side with yumi/ellatrix. As long healers keep the party alive within reasonable bounds - as in people are not actively trying to kill themselves, they can do whatever they want.

It's a failure of the design forcing high level players back in low level dungeons with animus books/low level roulette where they just want to gtfo asap (Doesn't change they are being a bit of an ass). Yes, it makes the queues shorter for people queuing for low level dungeons but look at the QQ in this thread.

And also healers being OP low level especially SCHs being able to solo majority of the low level dungeons.

EDIT: Reading Wintersandman's post below and some of the post saying instead of rushing forward, teach people how to do their jobs: I typically get the "f*ck u, don't tell me how to play my job" type of response from lowbies I'm trying to teach to the point now I don't give a damn anymore and carry on with my "elitist" stuff as people calls it.

Well that sums up why you agree with ellatrix/Yum_umi as they both have very elitists views...

In regards to the feedback you get when you do try to help, assuming your approach is actually helpful and not: "Hey noob" or "Tank WTF R U Doin!?" etc, then that's when you carry on and do what you do, but the point that I was trying to make is TRY. Don't just assume that the response will be negative each time and step on someone's toes and further make a more worse off tank/healer.

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But at least you tried... That's pretty much my point.

Nobody listens to criticism, the most common response is "its my sub fee I play how i want i do my shit you do yours".

The best way to get through to them is to leave them dead the entire run then finish it easily without them, then thank them for their contribution.

I along with several people in this thread and many others would COMPLETELY understand why a person would respond to you like that, lol.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Nobody listens to criticism, the most common response is "its my sub fee I play how i want i do my shit you do yours".

The best way to get through to them is to leave them dead the entire run then finish it easily without them, then thank them for their contribution.

OR let them die, then explain WHY they died and how your advice would've prevented that. And NOT in an "I told you so" kind of manner. There's no room for ego in a learning environment, from either side.

There's a difference between teaching a hard lesson and making someone a lesson. You know this Ellatrix. Come on now.

[LeafRobelle]

I've done this - simply because I get bored.

Casting cure once every couple of minutes gets dull. Tanks in low level dungeons tend not to respect the ability of their team, and change their tactics accordingly - they just do it the same way every time. If a healer is being wasted, the tank is not doing his job correctly. We're there to heal, not stand about and occasionally dps.

If the run is noticeably faster and everyone stays alive, then I'm not too concerned about ruining the tank's pride. I'm going to go off and do it.

Just a note to remember is that if your pulls were too large for the healer to keep up, you'd slow down. Seems sensible then, that if your healer is seeming awfully idle, then you can increase the difficulty and speed. Until tanks discover this ability, I'll do it myself.