Rolling Need For Gear You Have No Use For

[MaethusXion]

Glamour, desynthesis, turn in for GC seals

forgot retainers, but this

[MXMoondoggie]

The ST gear as actual gear is kind of redundant now anyway you'd be better off farming soldiery and getting that gear then doing ST for mats to upgrade them and go for poetics. People roll for a variety of reasons as people have said. The roll system in this game is very much fair if you specifically need gear for the class you are playing you can override all rolls unless somebody else on the same class also needs. It's still a random roll of the dice the system is fair. Everyone has an equal chance to win the loot if they want it. If it goes down to a greed roll again everyone has an equal chance to roll a dice. Complaining when you lose a roll on loot is kind of childish like when you do a raffle and some other kid wins the big prize you wanted. He didn't have more of a chance to win than you he's just lucky so throwing a tantrum is just dumb.

If you really want people to pass things and give it to you then you can queue with friends or FC and ask them to pass for you. A random stranger has zero obligations to you in DF everyone is in that queue because they need something.

[technole]

Someone in linkshell just the other day was raging because she's been farming Shiva Ex for about 2 weeks now for the warrior axe, it finally dropped yesterday, and she lost the roll to another warrior... who already had the upgraded shiva axe. When she asked him why, all he said was, "for glamour"

That really sucks. Lately I do see people begging others to pass on certain weapons there after the clear. I had already rolled greed in this one instance before they asked, and quite honestly people should make these "pass" requests before the coffer ever gets opened as a courtesy to those who are helping you in the first place. But the roll was low at 33 so I left, even though I could use it immediately on my sub.

[Gorvi]

The ST gear as actual gear is kind of redundant now anyway you'd be better off farming soldiery and getting that gear then doing ST for mats to upgrade them and go for poetics. People roll for a variety of reasons as people have said. The roll system in this game is very much fair if you specifically need gear for the class you are playing you can override all rolls unless somebody else on the same class also needs. It's still a random roll of the dice the system is fair. Everyone has an equal chance to win the loot if they want it. If it goes down to a greed roll again everyone has an equal chance to roll a dice. Complaining when you lose a roll on loot is kind of childish like when you do a raffle and some other kid wins the big prize you wanted. He didn't have more of a chance to win than you he's just lucky so throwing a tantrum is just dumb.

If you really want people to pass things and give it to you then you can queue with friends or FC and ask them to pass for you. A random stranger has zero obligations to you in DF everyone is in that queue because they need something.

Nobody's throwing a tantrum, so you can drop the condescending tone. ST is a nice way to get some decent gear for secondary or even tertiary classes. Like many I have multiple classes at 50 and I'd like to run those some content to see if I'd want to gear them up further, but don't really want to until I have at least competent gear. I'm cool with a greed roll, but need on gear you don't actually need is silly. The post was 99% geared (no pun intended) towards ST gear.

It can't be turned in for seals, it can't be desynthed, and I doubt anyone's going to use it for glamour, there's not much reason to "need" it other than just to have it. Sure, maybe you can turn it in or desynth it in the future, but that's just speculation at this point.

[StouterTaru]

I don't have any doubt that we will be able to turn in or desynth the gear by 3.0 at the latest, more likely in a couple weeks with 2.5. Each piece will give 1k+ seals, or desynth into battlecraft III or 2/3/4 star recipe materials.

The system sucks for gearing up other jobs, you're best bet to do that is to set up a premade party.

[Noahlimits]

Not sure why this is an issue. Yes, it'd be nice if people passed on stuff for others, but they spent just as much of their time and effort to do the instance as you. If they're the appropriate class, they have every right to need. That's how it works. If you're trying to gear an offspec, go into the instance as that offspec.

[Bebekurenai]

I participated on the dungeon just as you did, and nobody has a right to judge whether or not you need something more than I do or not. It's a matter of perspective. You might need this piece for a secondary job, I might need it for desynthesis, who knows? Maybe you see my whm in the dungeon with superior gear and I need on a healer piece you want me to greed on. But what if I need this gear for my sch because I use that job for lower ilevel caps?
Need/greed was only designed for matching job over a drop, it does not go into detail of who "needs" it more than others. As said before, we all participated in the same dungeon/boss/instance, therefore we have the same right to lot. Wether it's for updating armor or seals or desynth or glamor, nobody should judge the needs of anyone.
On a side note, if I need something specific, I will go on a job that can need on it. I don't expect others to pass for me, I like to work for what I get. My tank is not my main at all, but when I wanted to upgrade, I made sure to be tanking in ST, and same goes for all my jobs.