Party Finder fail x times = kick

[Laladyn]

Fail usually means if you wipe the party. if you die 1 or two times its normally no issue to get you back up and kill it still.

[NyarukoW]

PF = Pseudo-Farm

I've seen the so called "elites" or some raiding FC all with T9 clears screw up on thunder and divebombs and then rage quit, finger point, and/or get into name calling hissy fits. If you don't put in time to build you static, recruit people do NOT expect the PF to magically find you a perfect farm group. It is a miracle once a every 50 blue moons or something when that happens.

[vp_cmc]

do NOT expect the PF to magically find you a perfect farm group. It is a miracle once a every 50 blue moons or something when that happens.

Of course. Because as you were telling everyone a couple months ago, any not experienced player is allowed to join farm group, and other players must teach him how to do this battle and wipe again and again until he gets it. Or have you finally changed your mind about farm groups?

[NozomiKei]

It's irritating how you guys are so quick to accuse people of being elitist if they actually put standards for people to meet if they apply to their pf. Yeah, some of them may be douches looking for a carry (though in my experience they usually mention it) but a good number of them are probably people who have sat through learning parties, whether formed on pf or not, and experienced plenty of wipes. Eventually they probably got to the point where they had the fight down but the parties kept wiping due to other peoples' actions. Why are they not allowed to to ask for other people to at least have as much experience as themselves? When I'm looking to clear something multiple times over the course of an hour how is it elitist for me to ask that only people who are capable of doing just that join my party?

As for op, I've never seen anyone kicked out of those parties because I never join them. I have seen people kicked out of parties when they were obviously becoming a liability (they joined as a replacement and suddenly we start wiping) or were being very obnoxious.

[NyarukoW]

Of course. Because as you were telling everyone a couple months ago, any not experienced player is allowed to join farm group, and other players must teach him how to do this battle and wipe again and again until he gets it. Or have you finally changed your mind about farm groups?

I've NOT changed my position. There should be NO farm groups on the PF period because it simply does NOT exist on a consistent basis, and people can't force it to happen anyways. So be real, help people learn and help people clear. You are usually begging and hoping a good tank or healer would join too, so it is really their kindness that is making things possible. I don't need people who bought their clears from clear sellers acting all high an mighty and cussing at everyone else. So farm only when you get lucky. So PF = pseudo farm.

Do tryouts for your static, add subs to your static so you can farm the the non-lockout stuff. The more you help others learn and clear the larger the pool of players to draw upon to farm. It is just simple enlightened self interest playing the long game. BTW one time we had this clear party trying to help 1 newer member clear, and after a few initial wipes, we actually farmed T9 for total of 4 clears in a row, that was simply magical (even though RNG craps on me and only got the sands), and has not been reproduced since in all my attempts to get that weapon drop.

Hollow threats like kick after X whatevers is NOT going to work. Half the time, the people can't even tell who is really screwing up. And for those that think the parser is magical, someone may be parsing low because they were killed by someone else. And who do you blame for tether-charge when people not stacking properly for Imdugud?

[ExKage]

My experience joining T9 PF farms. Either people are so used to doing it one way or people don't know how to adjust etc.

Or people got carried/looking to carry.

I've had most of them get to elementals but fuck up thunder.

I've also had groups fuck up meteor placements because someone decided to not care in 3-3-2 that the Ranged got 4 meteors in a row and that's why you pre-agree on direction and starting point.

[vp_cmc]

And who do you blame for tether-charge when people not stacking properly for Imdugud?

We have people marked 1,2,3 there for this mechanics. On tether-charge, people marked 1 and 2 (+OT) stack with tethered person. if 1 or 2 has charge, person number 3 (it's me..) replaces that person. So if we wipe on tether+charge, it's either 1 or 2 did not stack, when they should, or 3 did not replace one of them when he should. So I clearly know who I should blame.

[NyarukoW]

.. So I clearly know who I should blame.

If it were only that obvious. What happens when the tether moves late or the charge moves late or both and people are scrambling and adjusting? People are NOT machines and even machines screw up at time, e.g. lag. I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt and as long as see that people are putting in a earnest effort to try, and not deliberately wiping, it is really all you can hope for.

[vp_cmc]

If it were only that obvious. What happens when the tether moves late or the charge moves late or both and people are scrambling and adjusting? People are NOT machines and even machines screw up at time, e.g. lag. I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt and as long as see that people are putting in a earnest effort to try, and not deliberately wiping, it is really all you can hope for.

If tether moved to position late, usually person who had tether says, that he moved late. It's ok to admit a mistake and fix it next time. It's how our performance as a group improves. We don't just throw ourselves against the mechanics until we somehow succeed. We watch who does what mistakes, think about how to prevent them or at least make them less likely to happen.

[NyarukoW]

...It's ok to admit a mistake and fix it next time. ... think about how to prevent them or at least make them less likely to happen.

That is what good parties do. And hollow threats like kick after X whatevers do NOT automatically get you the good party, and it can actually lead to people pointing fingers and sometimes even deliberate outright lying and misplacing blame, or people just refuse to say anything.