Party Finder fail x times = kick

[NyarukoW]

Of course. Because as you were telling everyone a couple months ago, any not experienced player is allowed to join farm group, and other players must teach him how to do this battle and wipe again and again until he gets it. Or have you finally changed your mind about farm groups?

I've NOT changed my position. There should be NO farm groups on the PF period because it simply does NOT exist on a consistent basis, and people can't force it to happen anyways. So be real, help people learn and help people clear. You are usually begging and hoping a good tank or healer would join too, so it is really their kindness that is making things possible. I don't need people who bought their clears from clear sellers acting all high an mighty and cussing at everyone else. So farm only when you get lucky. So PF = pseudo farm.

Do tryouts for your static, add subs to your static so you can farm the the non-lockout stuff. The more you help others learn and clear the larger the pool of players to draw upon to farm. It is just simple enlightened self interest playing the long game. BTW one time we had this clear party trying to help 1 newer member clear, and after a few initial wipes, we actually farmed T9 for total of 4 clears in a row, that was simply magical (even though RNG craps on me and only got the sands), and has not been reproduced since in all my attempts to get that weapon drop.

Hollow threats like kick after X whatevers is NOT going to work. Half the time, the people can't even tell who is really screwing up. And for those that think the parser is magical, someone may be parsing low because they were killed by someone else. And who do you blame for tether-charge when people not stacking properly for Imdugud?

[vp_cmc]

And who do you blame for tether-charge when people not stacking properly for Imdugud?

We have people marked 1,2,3 there for this mechanics. On tether-charge, people marked 1 and 2 (+OT) stack with tethered person. if 1 or 2 has charge, person number 3 (it's me..) replaces that person. So if we wipe on tether+charge, it's either 1 or 2 did not stack, when they should, or 3 did not replace one of them when he should. So I clearly know who I should blame.

[NyarukoW]

.. So I clearly know who I should blame.

If it were only that obvious. What happens when the tether moves late or the charge moves late or both and people are scrambling and adjusting? People are NOT machines and even machines screw up at time, e.g. lag. I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt and as long as see that people are putting in a earnest effort to try, and not deliberately wiping, it is really all you can hope for.

[vp_cmc]

If it were only that obvious. What happens when the tether moves late or the charge moves late or both and people are scrambling and adjusting? People are NOT machines and even machines screw up at time, e.g. lag. I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt and as long as see that people are putting in a earnest effort to try, and not deliberately wiping, it is really all you can hope for.

If tether moved to position late, usually person who had tether says, that he moved late. It's ok to admit a mistake and fix it next time. It's how our performance as a group improves. We don't just throw ourselves against the mechanics until we somehow succeed. We watch who does what mistakes, think about how to prevent them or at least make them less likely to happen.

[NyarukoW]

...It's ok to admit a mistake and fix it next time. ... think about how to prevent them or at least make them less likely to happen.

That is what good parties do. And hollow threats like kick after X whatevers do NOT automatically get you the good party, and it can actually lead to people pointing fingers and sometimes even deliberate outright lying and misplacing blame, or people just refuse to say anything.

[alimdia]

That is what good parties do. And hollow threats like kick after X whatevers do NOT automatically get you the good party, and it can actually lead to people pointing fingers and sometimes even deliberate outright lying and misplacing blame, or people just refuse to say anything.

If the party leader can't figure out who screwed up, it will fail anyway

[lvlagmarink]

Fail usually means if you wipe the party. if you die 1 or two times its normally no issue to get you back up and kill it still.

That means that the weight people put on healers and tanks would be very heavy, because in dpsing, there are 3 or 4 other dps which can make up the lacking one.. Sad to be healers or tanks at times..

it's ok to admit a mistake and fix it next time. It's how our performance as a group improves.

I've seen a main tank actually got 4 stack of water debuff from levi's dive in fail 1 = kick farm party, now since we got a very good healer, the party turned out fine anyway.. It's rare of someone admitting mistake, but it's common to point out people's mistake or even saying that one person is doing it wrong simply because difference in strategy..

[Deculture]

Hollow threats like kick after X whatevers is NOT going to work. Half the time, the people can't even tell who is really screwing up. And for those that think the parser is magical, someone may be parsing low because they were killed by someone else. And who do you blame for tether-charge when people not stacking properly for Imdugud?

If someone is using the ACT parser then I would hope that they would be intelligent enough to look at combat events which show debuffs, damage taken (from source), damage dealt to target(s), etc. Tether-Charge screw ups in particular can be seen by looking at combat events and checking time stamped Vulnerability Up debuffs, then checking Wild Charge damage. You can even go deeper and call out DPS that are popping stuff like Blood for Blood at bad times which end up with them taking sometimes unhealable damage or getting one shot.

Then again, I rarely join PFs nowadays mostly because I've found that a lot of people join or create "farm" PFs when they have no business being in a farm group.