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    Need some advice on bard dps in final coil.

    I run into some issue in Final coil as a bard in term of dps in the final coil. In turn 11, I got some report that my dps is low at around 300, which is pretty bad. My gear set is ok at around 113. I usually start the fight with Straight shot, bloodletter, blood4blood, internal release, venom, hawk eye, windbite, raging strike, barrage, blunt, and finallly flaming arrow.

    My dps usually remain high in the first 2-3 minute inot the fight and then I will suddenly drop down to 6th place on the hate list and will remain at 6th place. I remember to reapply dot as much as possible and reapply buff. What am i doing wrong? There is surely something wrong when I keep hearing other bard can pull 400 dps while i am stuck at around 300.
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    Fayth Sombraugure
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Hi. Which weapon are you using? 300 for T11 is low, yes. Without a Dragoon, with this ilvl, you should be at least at 350.

    edit:
    found back dps log from my first T11 down 7 weeks ago.
    "We did our first T11 down with my full static recently, the four dps (2 Nin, 1 Blm, me as a Brd) were all ~i112-113 with i115 weapon.
    Here are our dps:
    Brd: 370
    Blm: 390
    Nin 1: 410
    Nin 2: 430

    Tanks were around 200 as far as I remember.
    SCH did also a bit of dps with DoTs."
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xellos2099 View Post
    I run into some issue in Final coil as a bard in term of dps in the final coil. In turn 11, I got some report that my dps is low at around 300, which is pretty bad. My gear set is ok at around 113. I usually start the fight with Straight shot, bloodletter, blood4blood, internal release, venom, hawk eye, windbite, raging strike, barrage, blunt, and finallly flaming arrow.

    My dps usually remain high in the first 2-3 minute inot the fight and then I will suddenly drop down to 6th place on the hate list and will remain at 6th place. I remember to reapply dot as much as possible and reapply buff. What am i doing wrong? There is surely something wrong when I keep hearing other bard can pull 400 dps while i am stuck at around 300.
    400DPS bards on T11 are typically slightly more geared or the team pushes things fast enough to require lesser use of songs.

    Your DPS will suffer if your team requires you to help out at the Gravity Node, which has physical attack resistance.

    After adds phase, make sure you are attacking from the melee range. It absorbs the egg which means the boss will have the same buff as the egg which makes it invulnerable from range.
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    I know about melee thing, this is not my first time in t11. Adn yes i need to do some paeon help with gravity node since it is usually 15% away. it is a negative cycle too, when i got call out as lowest dps i try to focus more on dps and less on status effect. Thunderstuck, wipe, got blame even more
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    Last edited by Xellos2099; 01-06-2015 at 05:22 PM.

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    Sing louder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xellos2099 View Post
    I know about melee thing, this is not my first time in t11. Adn yes i need to do some paeon help with gravity node since it is usually 15% away. it is a negative cycle too, when i got call out as lowest dps i try to focus more on dps and less on status effect. Thunderstuck, wipe, got blame even more
    Just remember to watch out for the thunder after repelling cannons.
    It will become second nature eventually.
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xellos2099 View Post
    I know about melee thing, this is not my first time in t11. Adn yes i need to do some paeon help with gravity node since it is usually 15% away. it is a negative cycle too, when i got call out as lowest dps i try to focus more on dps and less on status effect. Thunderstuck, wipe, got blame even more
    15% difference? What's your mage doing? Maybe your mage needs to git gud also?

    You should never need to sing any songs during adds phase. If you have it means someone died or whatever crap happened which shouldn't happen. Not your fault for that, your teammates need to git gud on it.

    For Paeons, at around 64% before the boss does his last move before transition (either bombs or nerve gas), play paeon until the adds appear and stop. This should last you until adds phase over, then play Paeon/Ballad/Foe depending on what's needed.
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    Last edited by Ooshima; 01-06-2015 at 08:56 PM.

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    Junta Ficia
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    Ragnarok
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    Machinist Lv 60
    First, I'd change a little bit your opening :

    (Requiem+ Battle Voice, hawk eye, raging strike) bloodletter, Straight shot, blood4blood, internal release, venom, barrage, blunt, windbite, flaming arrow, potent poison potion, Heavy Shot, Dexterity Potion.
    Reapply Bites when they reach 6 (your buffs, or most of them, should still be up), then classic rotation.

    In the parenthesis, you have what you should cast pre-pull. Start with requiem and when your tank start running, the two buffs, then when his axe or shield hits the boss (: name become read), bloodletter followed by straight shot.
    Don't hesitate to use potion, they really help on dps. They might not be needed depending on team/stuff, but you will like to see a significant upgrade I guess.

    And remebmer, after add phase, you can dps the boss if you are standing close to it while its casting his big AoE attack. Every dps point count

    As for the singing duties on T11, I usually do : Requiem/battleVoice on pull. Paeon on the secondary head @ 73%, leaving it ticking from 5 to 6 times, then switching back to requiem. Battle voice Ballad on Egg adds if needed, Paeon if no ballad needed, requiem if no paeon required. Usually, my drg & mnk don't need paen at this point. If everybody needs something, ballad first (with battle voice) and @ 15s left on battle voice, switch to paeon.
    On last phase, whenever i get about half mp left (and everyhting is on CD), one last requiem to seal the deal.

    Never had complains from my fellow member about the singing with this (but they just might be too kind to start complaing...?)

    Hope this can help a bit
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    Last edited by juntaru; 01-06-2015 at 09:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    15% difference? What's your mage doing? Maybe your mage needs to git gud also?
    Hehe I lol'ed at this one because last night our BLM was missing from our party. We did not have another caster except for my SMN, so I took the caster role for the party. I was able to dps down the cube at the same speed as our other dps finished the sphere (all averaging 380-400 dps) without issue. That BLM who was only at 15% must've been struggling if i could keep up with SMN

    Though to be fair, BLM don't do all that well with movement, and you have to move a lot during that phase.
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    Lanfear Sessurea
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 60
    About to start t11 myself soon, and it screams strafe at me looking at videos. Do you strafe to ensure you always auto attack? maybe it's obvious to every bard ( except me at one time zz ) but after changing to standard camera my dps has risen on movement heavy fights. You seem to be confused about your dps (?) so something like this might demystify it for you.

    People talk all day about bards losing no dps when they move, but this requires them to always be facing their target when moving/dodging etc.
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