Medica II abuse needs to stop

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Not sure why anyone is trying to defend this. To the person that stated a sheild lob/tomahawk would build more enmity than a regen tick, guess what your right but that only 1 out of the usual 3/4 mobs. the rest run to the healer, prevents the tank from getting initial positioning, delays melee dps, possible line of sight on casters depending on where the bad healer is.

Don't blame it all on the white mage on this part. Even if Regen isn't on, there are plenty of other actions that would draw agro mid-pull with the same mechanics as well as long as the tank tunnels on one mob like an idiot and doesn't tag the rest:
Eye for an Eye
Apocatastasis
Fairy abilities (except Silent Dusk)
Foe Requiem
Goad
Aetherial Manipulation (yes, even Aetherial Manipulation targeted at the tank draws agro)

I wasn't defending pre-casting medica II, I was pointing out that all mobs should be tagged by the tank regardless.

[Raex]

It might be interesting to note, that Shield Oath and Defiance also double the agro of buffs the Tank uses. So if someone uses a skill like Eye for an Eye during a pull a simple cooldown like Tempered Will or Bloodbath will have the agro back on the tank. It's quite handy as it allows to re-stoneskin during longer pulls if the tank knows what you're doing.
Back to the point simple buffs during the pull are way easier to handle than pre-hots, if the tank knows what he's doing.

[Peachy]

I wasn't defending pre-casting medica II, I was pointing out that all mobs should be tagged by the tank regardless.

why? If we are talking about trash pulls, why should the tank waste time tagging every single mob when the rest of the pt can show 5 seconds of restraint. some enemies dont instantly move to your position so if you are pulling multiple groups once in awhile its a waste of effort to run over to flash the other mob when you can wait for it to come to the rest of the group. most of the randoms I get in ex roulette let the tanks position packs of mobs before unleashing hell on them.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

why? If we are talking about trash pulls, why should the tank waste time tagging every single mob when the rest of the pt can show 5 seconds of restraint. some enemies dont instantly move to your position so if you are pulling multiple groups once in awhile its a waste of effort to run over to flash the other mob when you can wait for it to come to the rest of the group. most of the randoms I get in ex roulette let the tanks position packs of mobs before unleashing hell on them.

For one: Eye an Eye that was used right as you ran into a mob. You don't throw an Eye for an Eye at a tank 5-10s before a pull. If you happen to use it 0,01s too late, you'll grab the mob's attention.
And secondly: Why wouldn't you? This is only really a problem for speed runs. For slow runs where the tank grabs one pack at a tank, you should have tagged them all in less than two seconds. For those large pulls where you will take fluff damage left and right, why make the healer's job harder? This generally leads to the following:
-Dying mid pull
-Dying shortly after complete pull and everything tagged at the end

In both occasion, you'll blame it on the healer. If you tagged everything with a shield lob/Tomahawk mid run, the healer can easily throw a crit cure II at you and not take hate. You don't have much better to do aside from running anyway. So again: Why shouldn't you? You can easily throw a shield/tomahawk at the mobs while running forward anyway.

[aisustrong]

had a whm precast med2 before every encounter while I was war in tam today

still had a fairly easy time holding everything, but then again I don't grab the whole dungeon at once