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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asherek View Post
    There are PFs every day on my server for T5, Ramuh, etc. I'm on one of the sleepiest servers as well. The content can be downed and there are people willing to put together groups for it because it's still fun and challenging. The challenge level is also so low already that they are almost loot piñatas as it stands. Any further nerfs would literally be walking into the zone and open a treasure chest.
    Sorry, on my server I almost never see this fight or now Shiva ex in PF other then "Farming Only, No first timers". This fight is almost unwinnable in DF, I've been there. Shiva Ex is worse in DF. Small nerfs to old content don't hurt that much. Why not help other players out? At what point do you say "Most groups cant clear this in DF ,we need to nerf it?
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  2. #32
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    Tyche's Arrow
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    The mechanics are simple enough just find a good tank with macros that can inform your group on what they should be doing . For example a macro for dps orbs , tank orbs , tank chaos , rolling thunder orbs and over charge . I use these macros in my server with multi clears in df
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  3. #33
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    Asherek Raitmeaux
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranSeara View Post
    Sorry, on my server I almost never see this fight or now Shiva ex in PF other then "Farming Only, No first timers". This fight is almost unwinnable in DF, I've been there. Shiva Ex is worse in DF. Small nerfs to old content don't hurt that much. Why not help other players out? At what point do you say "Most groups cant clear this in DF ,we need to nerf it?
    There's a great solution if you don't see a PF up: make one yourself. Also, the fight is definitely winnable through DF. Additionally, Shiva is even easier than DF. At what point do you say "enough with the nerfs, people will suck unless the fight is a literal tank&spank"?
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  4. #34
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    At point It wont matter what I say. I still think these fights are mostly unwinnable in DF and they need to be nerfed. This is game just "fun" are many players, having walls in place just to block players out is just mean and evil spirited.
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  5. #35
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    Ellatrix Reatori
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranSeara View Post
    At point It wont matter what I say. I still think these fights are mostly unwinnable in DF and they need to be nerfed. This is game just "fun" are many players, having walls in place just to block players out is just mean and evil spirited.
    Why don't you instead take the energy you're using to cry on the forums and use it instead to build a network of players that you enjoy playing with and learn and clear content together.

    You know, the same steps players who are successful do.
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  6. #36
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    I care about OTHER payers not getting stuck on old content maybe you don't care but I do. You're missing the REAL point here, I've cleared the fights. I want other players to clear them. I don't see why a player stuck behind a content wall would buy an expansion to this game with many of the vet players unwilling to let old fights die. Why have walls in place?
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  7. #37
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    Ellatrix Reatori
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    It.. isn't a wall? They drop requirements to enter fights as the patches go on, just like they ease up on the grind required for relic.

    Consider it a wall that if you don't bother to network with players, you will always struggle. Keep in touch with those that you struggled through the fight with. That's where it all starts.

    I also hesitate to call it a wall. It's more like a small bump given that it isn't really that hard if people take responsibility for their own mistakes. Absolutely anything that requires some semblance of teamwork is going to be hard in DF because nobody wants to work as a team - on NA datacenters. Look to the success of JP DF, and realize that it is completely a player problem and not a content problem.
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  8. #38
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    Kori Fleming
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    I think JP's method of how they use the DF/PF is actually a huge part of their success. PF allows for easy back to back practice with the same group and is ideal for learning any fight that requires you to memorize it's mechanics (so, basically, all of them). DF you are thrown in with random people and are only given a limited amount of time (even more limited depending on how patient everyone is) to not only complete the trial but, for many, learn it. While I understand that everyone is allowed to use the DF regardless of experience, I think the JP method of having only experienced players in DF is the most reliable for clearing things. Unfortunately the game doesn't do a great job of communicating this so people go in DF expecting to clear it regardless of experience and end up disappointed when that isn't the case. Ramuh is really simple and easy to learn as long as you take the time to go through each mechanic individually and master them one by one. This is the case with every fight in the game, some just take less time than others.
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  9. #39
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    Luna Hoshino
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    Ramuh EX is 100% winnable with PUGs. That's how I got my clear-- through a PF progression group.
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  10. #40
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    Asherek Raitmeaux
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    It's cute that you care so much about other players but they're fine. If SE sees a trend they make corrections. In my opinion they've nerfed content too hard but hey, they're in this to make money and they need subscribers for that.

    Primal fights are perfectly tuned they way they are currently. SE knows that because they really haven't made that many tweaks to them over the months nor do they need to. After all, that's what echo buff is for anyways.
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