[Theory] ACN removed, SMN remade

[Krr]

This guy did.

He must work for some truly inept programmers if he thinks refactoring every 'Lancer' flag to a 'Dragoon' flag and checking for some outlier cases would be a more disastrous and unstable undertaking compared to any other changes the game receives.

I guarantee you the testers are wading through a hell of a lot more broken builds due to the constant redesigning of Revenant's Toll than they ever would reporting some issues with job flag vars being altered.

The UI overhaul needed to accommodate the removal of classes is probably a more dramatic undertaking than changing a few refs and doing some test cases to make sure they're still stable.

[Felis]

remove jobs and make the job skills buyable with guild coins

[Sove92]

He must work for some truly inept programmers if he thinks refactoring every 'Lancer' flag to a 'Dragoon' flag and checking for some outlier cases would be a more disastrous and unstable undertaking compared to any other changes the game receives.

Why can't we still queue on DF with a chocobo out, if adding a few more checks is so simple? Because it is not so simple, there are so many different dependencies with such a critical component as the class system that removing it is no longer worth the effort, it should have been done when 2.0 was still in development.

[ChazNatlo]

Words

Like I say in the Carbuncle or "make classes useful" threads, I enjoy going around as my arcanist and keeping "truth of x" active so I can see when a node pops. Having ten skills avaliable helps.

I am a little curious, if Arcanist goes into both SCH and SMN, does one of them get a new 1-30 questline?

[Tupsi]

He must work for some truly inept programmers if he thinks refactoring every 'Lancer' flag to a 'Dragoon' flag and checking for some outlier cases would be a more disastrous and unstable undertaking compared to any other changes the game receives..

This..I've seen RPG Maker games not even break horribly because of a flag removal lol.

Why can't we still queue on DF with a chocobo out.

Because it's designed as a party member - A type of party member that can't enter dungeons, thus you can't queue with it because you're flagged as a party. They can get it to work if they wanted to but at this point they progressed so far it would be more work than not to go back and redo the party system, hence why you'd sooner see it be done for an expansion or later patch than you would something "now."

[Jamez82]

I don't really put anything past them. If they wanted to remove classes they will. It seems as though it would take a lot of work though for no return.

I would like to see SMN have a less warlockesque skill set but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

[Sove92]

This..I've seen RPG Maker games not even break horribly because of a flag removal lol.

RPG Maker isn't complex enough to break from that like your typical AAA game would. And you are talking about a flag removal, that's small, removing a critical component is a major code change.

[Krr]

Why can't we still queue on DF with a chocobo out, if adding a few more checks is so simple?

Because if you understand coding, refactoring variables is not "adding a few more checks." It is "changing the inputs and outputs of some checks in a minor way that doesn't otherwise alter the logic tree."

You aren't actually 'removing' or 'adding' any game logic by removing classes and replacing them with level one jobs. You're simply changing how existing logic takes inputs. Data sets != logic.

DFing with your chocobo out would require restructuring an entire set of complex network logic and make it account for multiple edge case inputs.

I am a little curious, if Arcanist goes into both SCH and SMN, does one of them get a new 1-30 questline?

Probably not, unless the developers want to do something special for one of them. I could see adding 3-5 skill slots for DoL skills, since they're basically QoL to begin with and don't mechanically impact combat to begin with. Even the stealth abilities don't really do anything in a dungeon.

[Tupsi]

RPG Maker isn't complex enough to break from that like your typical AAA game would. And you are talking about a flag removal, that's small, removing a critical component is a major code change.

The only critical component in this game is Weapon = Your class in terms of this subject, which doesn't even need the 'classes' at this point as jobs act independently from classes for the most part (they have their own algorithms..equipment...and even classified as two different entities.) I used RM as an example because that engine is notorious for breaking if you change even something so minute you don't notice it till the game fails to load.

What would happen is it would then be similar to XI, where you can equip multiple weapon types for whatever you are. It would take redoing but nothing so dramatic that the game ceases to function, because "unarmed" is also a class in this game (and 1.x), called 'Adventurer', because NPCs also need a class tagged to them.

[Orrias]

Classes are being done away with in Heavensward, I believe. None of the new Jobs have base Classes, neither would it make sense to keep them for past Jobs anymore.

This presents a circumstance where SCH/SMN would need splitting up. It doesn't look like we're receiving a new offensive DoM Job either (unless they surprise us with RDM but that seems doubtful at this point).

Perhaps we're finally getting the SMN we always wanted?!

And SCH can have Glamour-able Carbuncles!!!

SMN & SCH needs splitting from ACN. Having Aetherflow tied into two Jobs is a bad idea. You can't hope to balance all the current Jobs against one another, and then have 2 Jobs (SMN/ SCH specifically) bound together, without some hinderance to one of the 2 Jobs, especially when they aren't even the same role!

SMN's needs Fester on a readiness that isn't currently ingame. When you get to that point in a fight where Aetherflow is on full CD, and you want to Fester but can't, you can see that it's a problem when other dps Jobs just continue on with there dps climb, and you (as a SMN) have no means with which to claw your way back up the dps ranks without adds being present, which ironicly, requires Aetherflow stacks. XD

Did I mention that SMN's run out of MP easily, in FCoB. :,(