[Theory] ACN removed, SMN remade

[Lemuria]

Yes you can. Just because they won't be playable doesn't mean they wouldn't exist in Eorzea.

E.g. Musketeer. Boom.

And what do you do about the many arcanists? Force them to become a summoner? Force them to become a scholar? Where exactly do you place these dual-job classes? It would be a logistical nightmare to sort through that mess, not to mention it would annoy the heck out of anyone still levelling the class.

What of other classes? The entire early quest line would have to be scrapped and redesigned to fit the new job-only system, and lore-wise people would still have job crystals so what happens if they unequip them? What would happen to those who were half-way through their 'class' quests, or had them opened in their quest log?

There's far too many variables for them to give it such a severe revamp, so it's unlikely they'll be doing away with classes entirely. More likely that they'll be using a job-only system for new jobs released.

[Parodine]

I really doubt they'll be removing base classes from any of the old jobs. I think they recognize the current state of the job/class system is rather pointless, so instead of continuing to prop up an old relic, they'll just make all of the new jobs they implement won't use the system.

Maybe unlocking those jobs would require getting another class to 30 first, who knows how they'll do it. But they never said they would dissolve the current class system for 3.0, just that the newer jobs won't be using it.

[Teryaani]

And what do you do about the many arcanists? Force them to become a summoner? Force them to become a scholar? Where exactly do you place these dual-job classes? It would be a logistical nightmare to sort through that mess, not to mention it would annoy the heck out of anyone still levelling the class.

What of other classes? The entire early quest line would have to be scrapped and redesigned to fit the new job-only system, and lore-wise people would still have job crystals so what happens if they unequip them? What would happen to those who were half-way through their 'class' quests, or had them opened in their quest log?

There's far too many variables for them to give it such a severe revamp, so it's unlikely they'll be doing away with classes entirely. More likely that they'll be using a job-only system for new jobs released.

Truth. There is (basically) no way for them to wipe away the relic of the job system in 3.0. I wouldn't be overly surprised if they pick away at it though and you start seeing it change around the full expansion after heavensward.

[CrystalRainbow]

As a game tester, I start working on games shortly after the engine is working and a few starting zones made.

To make a change like this would break the game so badly at this point.
So many switches broken
So much game logic broken


Better off making new job and starting fresh vs changing old job.

Oh ya and then there is Bob he worked on this part of the game and quit so now we need to go through every line to find out where some random text is that we want to remove/change.

[Terrini]

I just wish that there were a way to make the classes viable for end game. Arcanist gets the worst shift for classes because the jobs change its existing abilities to summon Carbuncle and there are plenty that love the little guy. I also would like to see Archer made more viable end game because while bards rock, it doesn't feel like they add to the base class... (admittedly I haven't levelled it past 15, but song abilities seem to be tagged on.)

Also if they aren't viable high levels, why do we get butts kicked by normal class enemies?

[Tupsi]

Also if they aren't viable high levels, why do we get butts kicked by normal class enemies?

Because you're doing something terribly wrong since almost nothing is a true threat from you unless you're swamped by like 30 things lol. Also, because they're still very much designed as their 1.x selves, aka an actual threat. (They still use 1.x skills for the classes and jobs.)

[zcrash970]

I rather see SE rename Arcanist to Evoker simply because in FFIII, evoker came before SMN and they had little control over their summons. Have SE completely rework Evoker to a class where you can have the egis but you have extremely little control over them and when you became a SMN/SCH you gain full control over them.

Have SE remake ACN into a dark caster theme class with spells like Dark, Scourge and Ardor and maybe Bubble(FXII) for a defensive CD that you can give that gives a small boost in health.

I know bad idea but I can wish can I XD

[Terrini]

It was more colourful to say it that way but what I meant was is why do we still have enemies with classes in level 50 + dungeons? Like those Dravanian Cultists or Lambs of Dalamud or other intelligent races with classes?

[Krr]

And what do you do about the many arcanists?

Give them Summoner and Scholar levels are their current Arcanist level.

What of other classes? The entire early quest line would have to be scrapped and redesigned to fit the new job-only system,

No they wouldn't. You re-tag every lancer guild quest as a dragoon quest. You re-tag every conjurer guild quest as a white mage quest. Your character's lore story remains the same, just minus unnecessary and confusing legacy mechanics.

and lore-wise people would still have job crystals so what happens if they unequip them?

Nothing. Your job stats and abilities are folded into your base class. I mean really, all that oh-so-important crystal does is give you some bonus stats, 5 abilities that you want all the time anyway, and force you to rearrange your entire skillbar when it gets reset back to the hideous default at level 30.

Lore-wise you're the only living White Mage left in all of Eorzea. Why hasn't S-E deleted all the others from the game yet?

There's far too many variables for them to give it such a severe revamp, so it's unlikely they'll be doing away with classes entirely.

Except...no one has described any mechanical reason why we can't just retag every class quest as a job quest and give everyone job icons at level 1, and then say each job can take a limited set of abilities from two subjobs.

I highly doubt we'll see a Summoner remake, though.

[Sove92]

no one has described any mechanical reason why we can't just retag every class quest as a job quest and give everyone job icons at level 1, and then say each job can take a limited set of abilities from two subjobs.

This guy did.

As a game tester, I start working on games shortly after the engine is working and a few starting zones made.

To make a change like this would break the game so badly at this point.
So many switches broken
So much game logic broken


Better off making new job and starting fresh vs changing old job.

Oh ya and then there is Bob he worked on this part of the game and quit so now we need to go through every line to find out where some random text is that we want to remove/change.