Average DPS expected from various jobs in T11

[Ronove]

I don't know if it makes sense that your dots stop hurting if you're out of range in T11 during the last phase. You already cast them and they are on the boss. Since the buff comes from the egg, I know when I'm dotting up the egg (I dot up the egg and the sphere), even if I walk out of range, I still see my dots ticking. So unless the buff changes from egg to boss, I don't think you have to worry. I'll probably test this the next time I'm in T11 to make sure because to me it doesn't make sense.

[Judge_Xero]

T11
Around 425 as SMN
BLM/MNK/BRD as others (War on Sphere for slashing debuff)

I RS Contagion the dots on Cube. Then SC Ifrit with Rouse/Spur on Sphere.
I only Miasma the egg for Heavy because it's a waste IMO for anything else due to its HP Regen. I use all my Aetherflow stacks on the Sphere to burn it down. Keep dots 100% on Cube.
For finishing the egg off I dot it, then R2 + AA till dead. I prefer to keep Ifrit out for the last phase cause he's easier to manage then and doesn't seem to get killed.

[loreleidiangelo]

T11
Around 425 as SMN
BLM/MNK/BRD as others (War on Sphere for slashing debuff)

I RS Contagion the dots on Cube. Then SC Ifrit with Rouse/Spur on Sphere.
I only Miasma the egg for Heavy because it's a waste IMO for anything else due to its HP Regen. I use all my Aetherflow stacks on the Sphere to burn it down. Keep dots 100% on Cube.
For finishing the egg off I dot it, then R2 + AA till dead. I prefer to keep Ifrit out for the last phase cause he's easier to manage then and doesn't seem to get killed.

Our BLM handles cube, and he runs neck and neck with us on sphere it as it is. I don't think RSing a set of dots on it to inflate my numbers is worthwhile with our group comp, sadly. Does your BLM also do cube? Do you both swap onto sphere at some point? I imagine you focus sphere after applying dots on cube, but like I said, our BLM wrecks cube completely on his own, so my dots would force him to come to sphere near the end for no practical reason that I can see. He also handles the heavy on egg with Blizzard.

I might try Ifrit in the last phase, though Garuda is a lifesaver to me because of how much Contagion saves me on MP (no BRD). I wonder if the potency increase is worth maybe having to sub in some Energy Drain? We have a WAR for slash debuff too, but I thought it was the MNK move that boosted Ifrit? I'll pester some friends to help me test today.

Maybe it's as someone said, and my group comp is part of the reason? I think some of the numbers I'm seeing are probably with things like Foe's/Ballad, no other caster DPS in the raid, etc. There's probably a lot of gear discrepancy between other players and me as well, since I just swapped last week after spending all my Poetics on healer. I AM looking forward to seeing if I can get better in raid this week, though. I've been playing SMN near-exclusively since I made it my main, and trying to fix a few bad habits that I had.

[Ronove]

I think Ifrit's auto-attacks are slashing whereas everything else is blunt. I use Ifrit on T11 and my highest parse so far has been 407 (that was when we downed it. We have a bard and he was doing his best to play foe's as much as he could since we run SMN+BLM) and unless I have to raise a lot, I don't ask for ballad for myself. So at 407, I have a lot to improve on still. During the add phase, Ifrit does help soak damage whereas Garuda will probably be too far out of range to do that (or if she's not... you're spamming heel so she's not attacking or she's getting hit with everything else and dies). If you are able to figure out your MP so you don't need to rely on contagion to conserve MP, then Ifrit will do better DPS overall.

As for wondering about if Ifrit's potency will make up for Garuda, you could probably test it on a dummy. Just figure out how much longer it takes to go OOM with Ifrit vs. Garuda and then try to put in some energy drains to make up for the time discrepancy and compare numbers.

[ICEFANG13]

Ifrit way out DPS Garuda on all the numbers I've checked, including the 3 Ruins you'd get from reapplying the dots. If you use Miasma II with Contagion and if you weave in Fester with Bio instead of Ruin II, I find that Ifrit has about the same 'mana issues' as Garuda.

[Judge_Xero]

Our BLM handles cube, and he runs neck and neck with us on sphere it as it is

My groups BLM does Sphere duty. Yes it is a DPS loss for them due to Magic Resist but our party dps is higher due to me going all out on DoTs.
With both Slash/Blunt resist Ifrit is doing something like 155 DPS to the Sphere and yes, soaking Cannons. VS Garuda @ 115DPS and not soaking.
So for me, RS Contagion on the Cube is a necessity to kill it fast enough while blowing all my Aether on the Sphere.

[Judge_Xero]

Ifrit way out DPS Garuda on all the numbers I've checked, including the 3 Ruins you'd get from reapplying the dots. If you use Miasma II with Contagion and if you weave in Fester with Bio insteaķd of Ruin II, I find that Ifrit has about the same 'mana issues' as Garuda.

Pretty much this. Garuda completely owns on the opener with RS, Pot, Poison Pot, Contagion, Foes.

But...

Ifrit can usually get 90% up time of slash/blunt resist so a good 40 DPS increase over Garuda. (Limited amout of Foes)

[sackm]

SMN - i122, Apocalypse - 450 this week. Raging + pot (optional poison) etc for opener. Raging should be up again for the cube, if not shortly after the phase starts. Swift ifrit after the cube dies (my group has a mnk and ninja). even had to raise someone and we had a few deaths in the last phase so its not unlikely to see 470+. Still FAR shy from the numbers i've seen BLMs post up though

[Dunncan]

Quick question. I see a lot of people saying that their DPS is this much or that much, with LB. Just confirming, ppl usually add the LB DPS on their own DPS? Since it's possible to separate it from my own on act, I have never put it together. Should I?

I ask this because I usually see ppl claiming to get higher numbers than I can on boss fights, and I am always looking to aim this numbers, but always ignoring the (melee, in my case) LB DPS value.

[Eumenide]

Quick question. I see a lot of people saying that their DPS is this much or that much, with LB. Just confirming, ppl usually add the LB DPS on their own DPS? Since it's possible to separate it from my own on act, I have never put it together. Should I?

I ask this because I usually see ppl claiming to get higher numbers than I can on boss fights, and I am always looking to aim this numbers, but always ignoring the (melee, in my case) LB DPS value.

Casting LB might sometimes be a DPS loss take monk for example, the LB cast time is long enough that you risk your GL stacks falling off. Think that is what they mean.

But about DPS I'm a i114 bard with HA bow averaging 400-430 during T10-T11 (just starting on T12 so no information about that yet) then drop down to about 380-400 when singing songs, maybe lower depending on how lucky I am with BL resets.
I obviously start fight with Battle Voice+Foes Requiem then I sing 2-3 times a fight
T10: Paeon after every add phase starting to sing during electric burst, then battle voice+foes during when the last add dies during the 2nd add phase then switching to paeon after electric burst.
T11: Paeon at 67% then battle voice+foes during the egg, switching to paeon when egg dies then maybe a ballad during the last phase