Discuss: Are DPS meters bad for MMOs?

[Kaze3434]

are parsers bad for mmos? no.
are people who use parsers to make people feel horrible bad for mmos? yes.

[Massterchef]

Its a tool used to gain information, how one uses the information is up to the user. To claim the tool is somehow a negative influence over the user is ignorant.

[MiniTofu]

are parsers bad for mmos? no.
are people who use parsers to make people feel horrible bad for mmos? yes.

I don't think this is about the parsers, it doesn't matter what you use but if players use a tool to critic someone performances. It's just terrible toward the community. Especially to people you never met or random joined.

Tool is useful for your own information but never use it against someone.

[Hyunckel]

are parsers bad for mmos? no.
are people who use parsers to make people feel horrible bad for mmos? yes.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

• That reminds me of that stupid french canine law severly restricting ownership of some (back then) considered dangerous dog species such as American Staffordshire Terrier, English Mastiff, Tosa race, Rottweiler etc.
  (Restrictions such as: Can't buy, sell, give away, import, bringing them in public places and public transportation modes. Sterilization is obligatory as well as a permit delivered after you prove your skills in educating a dog of one of those species to be allowed to acquire one.)
  All that because there were dickheads in suburbs using those poor dogs as a weapon.
  Blame the dog owners misusing them, not the dogs themselves.
  
  
• That also reminds me of GearScore addon in WoW WotLK... It was a great tool to know in one second what a person was wearing (his average score aka gear level)... Which was then the mandatory characteristic you had to provided for an inv to any high level group content. Needless to say, in the end people asked for outrageous scores just to "ensure" the kill. Hoping more gear would resolve lack of skill / experience / knowledge. Players criticized the addon, when in fact it was just dickheads abusing it.
  Since then, WoW and as I saw FF14, include a way to see one's average item level in one glance ^_^
  Blame the players abusing the tool, not the tool itself.
  
  
• Parsers ARE NOT a bad thing. Thanks to those, you can see your own improvement, by improving your rotation, reactivity, or changing gear optimisation.
  It's the dickheads using them to blame people when they see them doing low(er) dps than themselves. While it's almost never the reason of a wipe, except on DPS races like Ifrit's Nail for ex. Otherwise, if you wipe it's not because of one guy doing less dps than you, it's because someone failed at the encounter mechanics.
  Blame the players misusing parsers to bully other players, not the parsers themselves.
  
  
• Tl ; dr Dickheads everywhere, especially on the internet where anonymity reigns supreme.

[QiLymePye]

Maybe the can make it where you can use parsers in every thing EXCEPT DF. So if you create a party, party leader can set parser to show, but everybody in party will be able to see or be notified that parser is in effect before joining party. almost like how in some states you can't record conversations without letting the caller know they are being recorded. So that way, if you do a DF, you shouldn't be worried about output because you just should be worrying about the clear. Parser should be used for "training" purposes only, catch my drift?

[CGMidlander]

Maybe the can make it where you can use parsers in every thing EXCEPT DF. So if you create a party, party leader can set parser to show, but everybody in party will be able to see or be notified that parser is in effect before joining party. almost like how in some states you can't record conversations without letting the caller know they are being recorded. So that way, if you do a DF, you shouldn't be worried about output because you just should be worrying about the clear. Parser should be used for "training" purposes only, catch my drift?

But damage output is related to clears.