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    Hiruke's Avatar
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    Aislin Delhir
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    Saying it's just "meh" is vastly underselling the point. In current endgame, SMN is the least valuable, and the reasons why are pretty baffling design choices.

    By the way, did you realize the BiS pieces are only the BiS because they give you enough ACC? You would have different BiS if you could hit a lower ACC cap. Also, SS is useless, and even counter-productive. Current endgame caster gear is not a help to SMN. That plus the baffling design choices make it pretty lame.

    It's also mind blowing that SE is so against having a dps meter in the game, then add junk gear to make sure you farm both poetics and Final Coil, and then give you no tool to discern which gear is junk. Thanks, SE!
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    Kuroyasha Tenshi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiruke View Post
    .... Current endgame caster gear is not a help to SMN....
    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OURQ Pretty sure that gear will help smn, even with 4 pieces having spell speed on them. Still have 523 crit, 320 det, which isnt bad at all, on top of the increased int/vit/ weapon dmg. Ofc, spell speed on smn weapon always makes me laugh, but the final coil book is the strongest book and certainly is a help. It's not that bad(outside of weap, that's just cruel lol). SMNs beat final coil too.

    As for OP, b/c reasons.
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    Od Krys
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroyasha View Post
    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OURQ Pretty sure that gear will help smn, even with 4 pieces having spell speed on them. Still have 523 crit, 320 det, which isnt bad at all, on top of the increased int/vit/ weapon dmg. Ofc, spell speed on smn weapon always makes me laugh, but the final coil book is the strongest book and certainly is a help. It's not that bad(outside of weap, that's just cruel lol). SMNs beat final coil too.

    As for OP, b/c reasons.
    hey. why do you trying to final coil? maybe it is clearing to Turn 13, isnt it? so do i.
    then you should to delete T13 gear in ur mind.
    as a result SMN's pre-Bis is http://goo.gl/CpU8j8 till T12.
    you can see 6 pieces SS gears and SS gonna the sky.
    it is clear that IL close to 130, gap with another caster 'BLM' is increased.
    yes, right. that Dreadwyrm Book is great. but next? after u get it, what will you do?
    we are waiting to new contents in next spring. but level cap increase to 60, so u can use that great book to just leveling.

    If it seems like sharp words, sry about it.
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    Last edited by OdKrys; 12-13-2014 at 09:00 PM.

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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by OdKrys View Post
    hey. why do you trying to final coil? maybe it is clearing to Turn 13, isnt it? so do i.
    then you should to delete T13 gear in ur mind.
    as a result SMN's pre-Bis is http://goo.gl/CpU8j8 till T12.
    you can see 6 pieces SS gears and SS gonna the sky.
    it is clear that IL close to 130, gap with another caster 'BLM' is increased.
    yes, right. that Dreadwyrm Book is great. but next? after u get it, what will you do?
    we are waiting to new contents in next spring. but level cap increase to 60, so u can use that great book to just leveling.

    If it seems like sharp words, sry about it.
    I think relic weapon is still better than Dreadwyrm even if you lose one weapon damage.
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    Ephier Samoht
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    I think relic weapon is still better than Dreadwyrm even if you lose one weapon damage.
    You lose 2 weapon damage, and no it is not better.

    WD 6.570
    CRIT .211
    DET .283

    Dreadwyrm: 11.183(crit)+57(int)+13.14(2 extra WD)=81.323 int total

    Relic: 10.339(crit)+51(int)+10.188(det)=71.527 int total

    I did not even calculate the spell speed into the dreadwyrm book to prove a point. Do not underestimate weapon damage or base stats in the from the upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephier View Post
    You lose 2 weapon damage.
    Relic weapon is 80 weapon damage and poetic is 81 and does not give u crit.

    EDIT: I just noticed we are talking about 135 weapon that is 2 weapon damage better than relic .. I agree that weapon is better. Just messed up. I mean relic is better than 130 poetic weapon.
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    Last edited by Sunako; 12-14-2014 at 07:47 PM.