Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Squintina]

If something is not against ToS, it's fine and you can do it without punishment. He said it's not against ToS, so it's fine.
The only reason they'd 'like' for players to not do it, even though it's allowed, is so people won't complain until they have to change something that would naturally resolve itself in a week or two anyways.
That's why the 'topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading' bit is right in front of the last sentence.
SE doesn't consider it RMT, but if players complain enough, they'll have to hunker down so they don't lose customers.

This is most likely SE testing how we respond to being able to sell things from the mogstation for future items they're bound to add.

I think you might be right. I read the JP version and it also came off as a "This is not punishable and not against TOS. But we don't like all this talk of RMT, so we're going to ask people to please stop trading for gil"

Not that I particularly approve or disapprove of this (I haven't decided my stance on this yet), but yeah, your conclusion seems right.

It is nice to see JP players have a problem with it as well, though they're less vocal so their thread is only 5 pages long, not 15 .

[Hyunckel]

You can't RP with that and they made this system for RPers.

You can't roleplay because your SO didn't "trade" you a Wedding Wristlet in a trade window? In my idea of a fix, you'd get your Wristlet sent to you ingame via MogPost and have it soulbound to you. That way you'll still receive it as a gift but people wouldn't be able to trade it for gil anymore (unless people are uber trusty of random people promising to send gil in exchange...)

[polyphonica]

Thank god finally. Just make the Bracelets giftable through MogStation so as to make your friend receive those in game SOULBOUND to them, voila, no more RMT.

All that does is make the process a bit more convoluted.

1. Add to friends list
2. Request & Receive <x> gil from new friend
3. Send item through Mog Station
4. Remove from Friends List (i.e. Trade Complete)

Best you could probably do would be to make it even more onerous by saying that the person who receives the gift must go through the quest with the person who gave it to them, which is at least a lot of time/effort investment just to get a few items. If they annul the ceremony, I guess they'd get the outfits + hairstyle, but not the mount.

[Riepah]

You can't RP with that and they made this system for RPers.

RP is out of the window as soon as what you're looking for can't be acquired unless you pay with a currency that's not even available in your world. How're you going to explain that away? One day, randomly, for no reason at all whatsoever, you received a letter from an unknown benefactor containing just what you needed to get married in style, and so did your spouse - and if that hadn't happened, you couldn't get the wedding dress you wanted, or pick the background colour and music for your ceremony?

[Griever_Zero]

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

Maybe it would be possible to make a "set" vers. which include 2 bracelets, a bracelet which we already can buy (and untradeable) and perhaps another that can be traded, but can only be "linked" with the character that bought it? In a way that won't make it possible to get bonded to another person that the one that bought the set.

This way the "old ones" can be made untradeable and we should close this problem for good.

[rhazchan]

This will be irony if FFXIV:Heavensward (3.0) will fail because of cash shop.

The 1.0 pretty fail because of technichal thing, but 3.0 will fail because of CASH SHOP ?

are you fcking kidding me ?! /laugh

[Alistaire]

Huh...



I'm having an issue seeing where he says that it's cool? Here, I'll even bold the sections where I seem the most confused about it. So, the bracelets are designed to be bought for your partner... Okay, seems cool.
Not against TOS... I'm cool with that too since they didn't foresee this issue. It's technically not against the current rules.
But... see now the last one is where it gets funny.
"Please stop selling and trading bracelets for gil" but go for it because I'm fine with it?

Yeah, because you bolded parts and are ignoring the part in between, which comes before and is indicated as the reason for your 2nd bolded part. Reading 101.

[polyphonica]

Maybe it would be possible to make a "set" vers. which include 2 bracelets, a bracelet which we already can buy (and untradeable) and perhaps another that can be traded, but can only be "linked" with the character that bought it? In a way that won't make it possible to get bonded to another person that the one that bought the set.

This way the "old ones" can be made untradeable and we should close this problem for good.

If people just want to get the outfits and the hairstyle, this could still be abused to a certain degree by just going through the quest with that person to a certain point, then annulling the bond, which destroys the bracelets but you keep the outfits/hairstyle. But, it still probably is preferable. Alternately, they could make it so that the quest can be started either if a) the parties are both equipped with the bracelets, or b) one of the two members of the party has one bracelet equipped + a second one in inventory for their partner, and it'd be traded as part of the process. Either way probably requires some sort of programming to happen; in the meantime, they may have to simply make it untradeable if current trends continue.

[LunaHoshino]

Is the bracelet selling really such a big thing on other servers? Right now on mine there is a grand total of one person trying to sell one via PF; apparently no one is interested in buying because they've re-upped the PF for three hours now.

[Chiramu]

Is the bracelet selling really such a big thing on other servers? Right now on mine there is a grand total of one person trying to sell one via PF; apparently no one is interested in buying because they've re-upped the PF for three hours now.

My BF saw one person on Tonberry trying to sell one for 6 million gil this morning, I don't know if they sold it though. When I checked it was just regular PF groups.