So what if people sell platinum and gold plans for gil?

[Roris]

Ok, so I have been pro-cash shop since all this started...but seeing everyone now selling these bands seems a bit much. Can't say I agree now.

Perhaps now you can finally see why people have been so adamant against the cash shop's direction in the first place.

[cookiecutter]

snip

So you're saying SE is so ignorant that they have no idea what their western community will do? They already have plenty examples of western community taking advantage of this system. They adjusted hunts to combat this. They knew what they were doing when they made wedding bands tradable. They were just hoping there wouldn't be as much backlash against selling it. Right now they're just politicking saying that selling the bands wasn't the intended purpose which may be partially true. However I'm sure they knew what else would happen if they made those bands tradable.

[cookiecutter]

All this means is people are going to jump on the bandwagon to get maximum penetration of the current state of the system before they can patch or change it. So I expect the number to increase exponentially now.

Really this possible change hurts the people who can make gil to get platinum bonding but can't afford it in real cash. The people who are selling can just go to RMT to get their gil fix so you're not really hurting those guys.

[ManweSulimo]

I don't understand why people have such issues with this. This should curb some of the incentive for people to buy botted gil.


Person A spends a great deal of time grinding in the game. Let's just say they are good at everything and they work really hard at it - crafting/gathering/desynth/spiritbonding/selling primals and coil fights/playing the market for capital gain/you name it- and this person A earns millions of gil doing all of these things. Time in the game is important to person A. He enjoys earning gil and is proud of his accomplishments in the game.

Person B spends a great deal of time grinding in real life. Maybe they built some kind of business and work really hard at it, whatever it is that they chose to do - and this person B earns hundreds of thousands of dollars doing what he does. This person works hard doing whatever it is that he chose to do. Maybe this person has a family and decides that although he likes to play this game, time in his career and family is more important to person B than time grinding for things in the game. He enjoys his life irl and is proud of his accomplishments there.

Persons A and B both want to enjoy whatever aspect of the game they choose. They just have two distinct paths of doing exactly the same thing. Person A would rather spend his time playing the game grinding than grinding in real life for real money because the game is way more enjoyable to him than whatever work he chose to do. Person B would rather spend his time earning real money because grinding for gil is less enjoyable for him. So with the real money he spent his time earning he pays for a wedding band and puts it up on the marketboard to make some gil. With the gil that person A spent his time earning he buys the wedding band because he doesn't want to spend real money on the game.

So person A wins because he didn't want to have to spend real money and he didn't have to. Person B wins because he didn't have to spend time grinding gil and he didn't have to. Square enix wins because they earned some revenue in this transaction. Persons A and B can both continue to enjoy the game even better than they otherwise would have because square enix is able to afford to invest even more into it from the extra revenue. Persons A and B win again because this takes away from the botters' market share of gil buying. This drives down the price that these botters can sell gil for because some percentage of the market for gil-buying is being satisfied due to the gil sale of these cash shop items. Would be cool if it lowered all the way down to breaking even for the botters what with subscription fees, etc. for all their bots vs. money made by their bots (which would put them bankrupt and out of business!!) Imagine an FFXIV experience with no spam bots!

Any haters will at least be able to agree with this let's count the wins: win-win-win-winwin-winwin. 7 wins is pretty good maybe even 8 because SE wins they don't have to spend as much resources banning bots! Now let's count the losses: ... 0?

Guys please take a step back and realize that the primary currency in life is time and we can all spend it however we choose

[vp_cmc]

snip

All is right. But what you described is called pay to win.

[Catwho]

All is right. But what you described is called pay to win.

I would concur with that except having a dyable wedding dress, a double decker chocobo, and getting your friends wedding favor minions isn't really "winning" by any stretch.

I think SE should have limited the bracelets to a maximum of two transactions per account for some set period of time. Then the people who actually wanted to get married could get their bracelets, but the folks who wanted to have their cake and eat it too would have to wait a while.

[matt246688]

I don't know if this was mentioned before (It most likely was). But think of it the other way around, Sure people are making gil with real money, But now you can get cash shop items WITH GIL. In the end it seems less Pay to win to me.

If you really don't want to spend RL money on the game for your chocobo and wedding shit, Just farm some gil and there you go. As long as you have patience you are fine. If you don't, MMOs probably aren't for you anyway. Grinding is a thing.