FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[Elazu]

I fail to see the pay 2 win stuff you're talking about.

[AdamFyi]

I fail to see the pay 2 win stuff you're talking about.

It's more of a player-created pay-to-win than the actual thing, so I don't blame you for not seeing it. The developers are partly responsible, albeit to a lesser extent, because it was not in their intentions nor did they expect it... probably.

[Jacost]

I fail to see the pay 2 win stuff you're talking about.

It's only a semi-P2W, really. True P2W would involve objectively better stuff than what's ingame being sold on the cash shop (everything currently there is only subjectively better). Still, buying a platinum bracelet and selling it for 5M ingame is definitely something we could do without.

[KerenRhys]

It's more of a player-created pay-to-win than the actual thing, so I don't blame you for not seeing it. The developers are partly responsible, albeit to a lesser extent, because it was not in their intentions nor did they expect it... probably.

Which is really unbelievable after all that already happened in the game since the release. Maybe they'll have to begin thinking a little more about the consequences of their decisions because they don't expect what happens pretty often (some examples are selling runs, the reaction over the hunts, etc...). And in most cases, a little experience with MMO is all that's needed to predict how the players will react.

Sure, people can make mistakes, but when they repeat very similar ones, maybe it's time to try to learn from them.

[Wildsprite]

Which is really unbelievable after all that already happened in the game since the release. Maybe they'll have to begin thinking a little more about the consequences of their decisions because they don't expect what happens pretty often (some examples are selling runs, the reaction over the hunts, etc...). And in most cases, a little experience with MMO is all that's needed to predict how the players will react.

Sure, people can make mistakes, but when they repeat very similar ones, maybe it's time to try to learn from them.

I just have 1 thing to say to that
Final Fantasy XI updates for like the first 6 years

[QiLymePye]

I look at this as more of a morals thing. Yes you have people selling the bands online for gil. those are the ones you should attack if you dont agree. They are the ones taking the "easy" way out. i don't think its even that easy because they have to buy something that they dont really want with real money and hope to sell it for gil. i think its a gamble anyways. But i dont care. yes it takes away from it being something you work hard for when someone can outright buy it, but guess what, there are people who have tons of Gil and not even using it. this would actually stimulate the economy in the game because they will spend gill and give it to people who will "actually" spend it on things, making some of these ridiculous priced items in the MB drop in price.

[Ashgarth]

but guess what, there are people who have tons of Gil and not even using it. this would actually stimulate the economy in the game because they will spend gill and give it to people who will "actually" spend it on things, making some of these ridiculous priced items in the MB drop in price.

Why are we not using our gil? Maybe it's because since all the worthwile gear in this game is a dungeon/raid drop all we can do with it spend it in vanity stuff like weddings, mounts or rare dyes.

Oh wait, I can't, I gotta pay 3.5€ to dye an armor with metallic blue, 28€ for a fancy wedding and 16€ for a mount.

Why the hell am I making money in this game?

Also, please explain to me how things selling faster makes them drop in price.

[Keisatsu]

Sorry for my ignorant post but since when did gil give the necessary skill required to do anything? Since when was being server first Zodiac Relic actually important? And since when did gil actually matter? Sure you can say "materia" and "buying those fancy crafted armors" but they're not better than things you can earn ingame, I suppose you need skill for that but again, buying gear doesn't give you skill automatically, so I'm entirely lost on how any of this matters. :S

Again sorry for my ignorance but I really don't see the problem, maybe if someone explained it to me..

[QiLymePye]

I was talking about items on the marketboard. And im just saying that this will put alot of gil in the hands of people that might actually spend on the mb. Im not saying that its necessary, im just saying that it could be looked at as a positive. somewhat...

[Odowla]

I fail to see how this is P2W. i110 isnt exactly the "best" gear available. And you're talking like the people selling these things for 5 mil is enough to get a whole set, HQ, penta melded. Try somewhere in the range of 60 million, and then you're Maybe in the range of plausibility. It's not P2w. Is it Scummy? Yes, definetly. But P2W would more properly be defined if i could straight up buy full Dreadwyrm +1, ilevel 140, and it was the only option, or hell, an option at all.

This ISNT Pay To win. It's People being scumbags.