I want an official response.

[Kuolema]

But it does. Those things would have been in the game for free if not for the cash shop.

Or maybe it wouldn't be in the game period. None of us players really know what will be in the game and what won't be in the game. So please don't make statements like that without some form of proof.

[Sholah]

Or maybe it wouldn't be in the game period. None of us players really know what will be in the game and what won't be in the game. So please don't make statements like that without some form of proof.

Do you think those ideas suddenly popped up and were developed between October and 2.45? There has been concept art for Eternal Bond for at least a year, and those things were developed with the sub money we all pay. Had the community not shown support for a cash shop,or if they had not just accepted it because 'it doesn't affect what I like!', then they would have been implemented without being in the cash shop.

Edit: Forgot to mention the biggest one: Sleipnir. Sleipnir as a mount has been in the game since release. You know how Odin appears as a player riding Sleipnir? That's exactly the same thing they use for the player mount. It was already in the game, and it was cut for the cash shop.

[Kuolema]

Do you think those ideas suddenly popped up and were developed between October and 2.45? There has been concept art for Eternal Bond for at least a year, and those things were developed with the sub money we all pay. Had the community not shown support for a cash shop,or if they had not just accepted it because 'it doesn't affect what I like!', then they would have been implemented without being in the cash shop.

The cash shop didn't just magically pop up because the community supported it. It was an inevitability to come, most if not all games have micro transactions. SE isn't dumb they see how the gaming industry has been trending for years and are capitalizing on it. If the cash shop wasn't here you would probably get the free watered down wedding and that would be it. Instead they decided to put a more elaborate version on the cash shop.

As for Odin's mount yes it may be bad that they put it on the cash shop after you were able to get it for free but honestly does it really break the game? Does it really upset you that much?

[Khemorex]

The cash shop didn't just magically pop up because the community supported it. It was an inevitability to come, most if not all games have micro transactions. SE isn't dumb they see how the gaming industry has been trending for years and are capitalizing on it. If the cash shop wasn't here you would probably get the free watered down wedding and that would be it. Instead they decided to put a more elaborate version on the cash shop.

As for Odin's mount yes it may be bad that they put it on the cash shop after you were able to get it for free but honestly does it really break the game? Does it really upset you that much?

Yes it upsets me , because people are being ripped off^^ and they dont even notice it^^

[Kuolema]

Yes it upsets me , because people are being ripped off^^ and they dont even notice it^^

If you are that upset then you have some serious issues. This is a game for enjoyment. If something as minor as that can affect your life maybe gaming isn't for you...

[LittleArrow]

If you are that upset then you have some serious issues. This is a game for enjoyment. If something as minor as that can affect your life maybe gaming isn't for you...

That's your opinion and a huge assumption on a stranger's life. I understand we have different opinions on the cash shop, but personally attacking someone's passion over their personal hobby is seriously insulting.

MMOs create long lasting friendships, communities.. heck, I met my husband of 10yrs back in ffxi. If I didn't care about games as much as the person that to your mind "has serious issues" I wouldn't have given a care to get to know anyone in them, let alone the love of my life. Caring about something that is important to someone isn't a "serious issue." It's called being passionate. Are the other world problems more important? Sure. Does that invalidate the love people have for their personal interests? Nope.

EDIT: From what I've read, these people feel these cash shop changes are endangering something that they care about as well as harming the community they're investing in. Whether that's an accurate picture of what's going on or not is really up to personal perspective. However, to personally attack someone over trying to defend that isn't the right way to go imo.

[Kuolema]

That's your opinion and a huge assumption on a stranger's life. I understand we have different opinions on the cash shop, but personally attacking someone's passion over their personal hobby is seriously insulting.

MMOs create long lasting friendships, communities.. heck, I met my husband of 10yrs back in ffxi. If I didn't care about games as much as the person that to your mind "has serious issues" I wouldn't have given a care to get to know anyone in them, let alone the love of my life. Caring about something that is important to someone isn't a "serious issue." It's called being passionate. Are the other world problems more important? Sure. Does that invalidate the love people have for their personal interests? Nope.

There is being passionate and then there is being obsessive. I'm all for being passionate about things that matter, but to be completely worked up over a game is not healthy. Was it wrong of me to make an assumption..yes. So Khemorex I apologize for making that comment.

As for MMO's creating long lasting friendships/communities/relationships, maybe for some people and congratulations to them. I don't care about any of that, do I care that you met your husband 10 years ago in a game...no. It has no relevance to the cash shop topic.

[Sholah]

but honestly does it really break the game? Does it really upset you that much?

Yes, it does upset me that much. Nobody is saying that it breaks the game, but it is one less thing among many things that were cut out of the game to sell to you again. Wouldn't you rather have Sleipnir as a drop from Odin? Or those Scion minions as a quest reward? Wouldn't you rather have more things in the game to work toward?

[Themis]

Yes, it does upset me that much. Nobody is saying that it breaks the game, but it is one less thing among many things that were cut out of the game to sell to you again. Wouldn't you rather have Sleipnir as a drop from Odin? Or those Scion minions as a quest reward? Wouldn't you rather have more things in the game to work toward?

There is a big difference between content being "cut out" of the game and being sold separately.

"Cut out" implies that it was intended to be included, but was removed at last minute.

If Sleipnir was never intended to be included in the game (and there is no way to know that for sure unless you happen to have the game's design documents where this is stated), then it was not "cut out". Also, the content that it would drop from is not even in the game yet. There's no way to say that it won't ever be made available in game. It's unlikely, but possible, that purchasing it from the cash shop simply means you get early access to it. But if it isn't part of the content, then you can't say it was going to be part of it initially.

It's like how some products are labeled "batteries sold separately". Batteries are required in order to use said product, but it was not ever intended to be sold to you as part of the product's cost. In this case, "Sleipnir sold separately".

And sure, they could have reasonably (even if it did mean a delayed patch release) add in more content that offered the items as rewards. But then, that doesn't generate additional income does it? And additional income means that more content can be made available in patches (which is what we want, is it not?). If the purpose of the shop is to raise more money to support more/better servers and improvements to the game etc, then I have no problem with certain parts being "sold separately". I'd even be ok with optional dungeons* being sold, and I'd probably buy it. Why? Because I enjoy the raiding/dungeon side of the game, and why not balance the complaints with those who find their fun in minions/mounts/vanity.

*By this, I mean dungeons which are not required for roulettes or relic upgrades etc. Otherwise, it isn't truly optional. There's no reason why it can't drop the same items that come from equivalent dungeons, though. All this would do is simply increase my enjoyment of the game.

[Yasune]

It's like how some products are labeled "batteries sold separately". Batteries are required in order to use said product, but it was not ever intended to be sold to you as part of the product's cost. In this case, "Sleipnir sold separately".

I'm sorry, what? That whole "batteries sold separately" is not the right example to compare with the cash shop issue. Sleipnir was already in the game and could be implemented. In this said product, the batteries would have to already be in the product but then you'd have to pay to use it after you already bought said product. If the product were a remote control, the company would have to both make the remotes and the batteries but they don't. Batteries are an entirely different industry and is not built into remotes. Sleipnir is not a battery. >.>