I want an official response.

[Roris]

Whats so hard about it SE? just tells us what the extra money u want to earn is used for?

I just wish they were open about their subscriber numbers and stopped dancing around giving clear figures by using "adventurers", which is their codeword for accounts created. You know, just say how many active subs the game has like practically most MMOs do, especially WoW. Blizzard always publishes their figures regardless if they're down or up and theirs always fluctuate in the millions.

I'm surprised some people still believe the game isn't heading towards F2P after all these blatant signs. Sure if some people want to believe the game can pull a WoW and have both a sub and a cash shop, go ahead, but it's never actually happened in the history of the themepark MMO market aside from WoW, and another WoW clone like ARR certainly won't be the exception.

[Velhart]

I'm surprised some people still believe the game isn't heading towards F2P after all these blatant signs. Sure if some people want to believe the game can pull a WoW and have both a sub and a cash shop, go ahead, but it's never actually happened in the history of the themepark MMO market aside from WoW, and another WoW clone like ARR certainly won't be the exception.

This just in, any MMO that doesn't have WoW numbers is doomed to be F2P.

I just wonder all of you cash shop defenders, if it dosnt affect you why do you post in this thread anyway? You all dont care anyway about it? so why do you defend it so much?

It isn't exactly I like cash shops, I have a mind set of getting stuff in game and not my wallet. Its more of an argument that it will have no impact on how the game is in the long run like people in here think it will. If the cash shop stays or goes, it matters not to me. Its just more entertaining watch people going on thinking it is the end of the world because it is here.

[Roris]

This just in, any MMO that doesn't have WoW numbers is doomed to be F2P

Name 5 themepark MMOs in the past decade that haven't gone F2P or aren't failing (Wildstar), go ahead. ARR not included of course.

[Velhart]

Name 5 themepark MMOs in the past decade that haven't gone F2P or aren't failing (Wildstar), go ahead. ARR not included of course.

Name 5 that are not WoW and FFXI/FFXIV that don't depend on investors to keep their game running. Do you even know why these MMO's even go F2P? Low player count is only half the reason.

[Roris]

Name 5 that are not WoW and FFXI/FFXIV that don't depend on investors to keep their game running. Do you even know why these MMO's even go F2P? Low player count is only half the reason.

I asked first so please answer my question.

[Velhart]

I asked first so please answer my question.

Wow, you really don't get what I meant with my comment, do you?

[Roris]

Wow, you really don't get what I meant with my comment, do you?

Neither do you because you're implying it's all about investors and since SE apparently doesn't depend on them for this specific game only because Yoshida said so, apparently they're safe from ever going F2P with ARR despite the clear signs being there. Even though you know, investors do have a say on the company as a whole and can override decisions with enough votes or at least push them towards a decision.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/

There is a list of 10(includes WoW). http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploa..._mmo_table.jpg

Now these are listed as a subscription based MMO even though they have ways to play for free with certain limitations.

Thanks for that. From that list we can see, aside that ARR isn't even listed there, that excluding WoW and EVE which are the top MMO in their respective themepark and sandbox markets, and also excluding Blade and Soul which still doesn't have a presence in the western market and I think might be either P2P or B2P, the rest are F2P. Lineage, TERA, SWTOR, LOTR, Aion, Lineage 2, and Rift all started out as P2P and eventually transitioned into F2P for various reasons. TERA and LOTR implemented a cash shop while still maintaining a sub and relatively shortly after went F2P.

So really expecting ARR to remain as P2P forever, especially when the F2P transition signs are clear as day, is just too hopeful or naive.

[TakKuroda]

Name 5 themepark MMOs in the past decade that haven't gone F2P or aren't failing (Wildstar), go ahead. ARR not included of course.

There is a list of 10(includes WoW). http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploa..._mmo_table.jpg

Now these are listed as a subscription based MMO even though they have ways to play for free with certain limitations.

[Squintina]

There is a list of 10(includes WoW). http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploa..._mmo_table.jpg

Now these are listed as a subscription based MMO even though they have ways to play for free with certain limitations.

The person said 5 Themepark MMOs. WoW is so not a themepark MMO at all. Person also said games that haven't gone F2P.

TERA, SWTOR, and Aion are all F2P now. Tera and SWTOR have an optional subscription for extra bonuses, but free is still available.

[zar]

The person said 5 Themepark MMOs. WoW is so not a themepark MMO at all.

Can't tell if sarcastic or serious.