FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[Hyunckel]

I wanted to make a new thread myself, but I'll just add my opinion here:

I'm on my first "free" month and I'm not sure if I'll renew my sub after it has expired in 4 days... I'm not sure if you can't write on the forums once your sub is over like it is the case on the wow forums, so better voice my opinion now before in case.

• I can accept people having months or even years playing this game, and in that way accumulating an advantage of some sort: Crafting classes allowing them to play the Market Boards trader job and grinding millions over months.
• I can accept people who were Spirit Bonding for months to have lots of Materia IV for their Relic, while selling those Materia they don't want. (Once I find the time or farm Gil I'll be able to afford those)
• I can accept those veterans having their Nexus on many jobs. Having a Medium / Large House. (One day I will too, once I farm Gil LEGIT)
• I can accept seeing lots of older players having a Nexus weapon for all their Jobs (I can just use a Ramuh EX (not 100% drop), Shiva EX (100% drop + token to upgrade) or the Sold Weapon with the UAT I got from Syrcus for now)
• All that is the way (MMO) RPGs work, you spend time to earn stuff. People who spent more time automatically earned more stuff (logically)

I CAN'T ACCEPT people just using their credit card to convert $$$ into Gil and BYPASSING ALL THAT EFFORT.

THAT'S 100% PAY TO WIN.

THIS IS NOT A FREE TO PLAY GAME.

In a subscription based game, mounts, minions are kinda OK. Even though those who want them are screwed unless they pay.

Paying $$$ to get in game currency to be at an advantage over people who don't pay IS NOT OKAY

Make the Wedding Bracelets bound on receiving through Mog Post or whatever is used to receive it ingame. If you want to allow someone to offer it to someone else, make it through the Mog Station Website and have it bound on receiving for those people too.
Make the stupid one use Metallic Dyes BIND the gear they are used on to the person using the Dye !!!

There, at least that issue would be solved.

[AdamFyi]

Paying $$$ to get in game currency to be at an advantage

I wouldn't say that this is fault of the Cash Shop, rather, it's a lot safer to say that this is likely an oversight by the developers. The pay-to-win aspect that the OP and everyone in here is discussing is more towards a player-created pay-to-win. The "advantage" is also player-created because it is the player that decides to sell it and it is the player that decides to buy it. The Cash Shop as no control over player transactions.

I'd like to believe that the main reason why the the Bracelets were made tradeable was so that you could gift your friends that want to have a Gold or Platinum plan, but are unable to purchase it themselves, as a present and a sign of goodwill. What happened instead was the players selling them for gil instead. This is not a pay-to-win by standards, but it was made that way by the players.

[lynyan]

I wouldn't say that this is fault of the Cash Shop....

wait you mean, SE didn't put all this into the game on purpose and the cash shop ISN'T the terrible game destroying monstrosity i thought it was? SORRY BUT THIS CANNOT BE TRUE *buries head in sand*

[AdamFyi]

wait you mean, SE didn't put all this into the game on purpose and the cash shop ISN'T the terrible game destroying monstrosity i thought it was? SORRY BUT THIS CANNOT BE TRUE *buries head in sand*

It's just the most likely conclusion. Given that they don't deem trading the Bracelets a violation of the ToS (No idea on gil), we can safely assume that the Bracelets were intentionally set to be tradeable for the reasons I've stated above. I do think that the whole "selling for gil" issue was an oversight by the developers they weren't expecting. In short, it is the player that decides to sell it and it is the player that decides to buy it that is causing this whole pay-to-win fiasco that we are discussing about.

[Hyunckel]

we can safely assume that the Bracelets were intentionally set to be tradeable for the reasons I've stated above. I do think that the whole "selling for gil" issue was an oversight by the developers they weren't expecting. In short, it is the player that decides to sell it and it is the player that decides to buy it that is causing this whole pay-to-win fiasco that we are discussing about.

I'd like to believe that the main reason why the the Bracelets were made tradeable was so that you could gift your friends that want to have a Gold or Platinum plan, but are unable to purchase it themselves, as a present and a sign of goodwill. What happened instead was the players selling them for gil instead. This is not a pay-to-win by standards, but it was made that way by the players.

I don't think it is out of SE's skill to code a web page where you enter the name of your friend to gift him/her his/her Wedding Bracelet in game, via the Mog Post, and BOUND TO HIM. If that was really an oversight, there would have been statements and a hotfix already.

[AdamFyi]

If that was really an oversight, there would have been statements and a hotfix already.

There already was a statement. They only mentioned that it was not a breech of the ToS to trade the Bracelets, but they didn't mention about selling the Bracelets for gil. We can conclude that it was not their intention nor did they expect people to sell it for gil.

As for the coding, it's not as simple as you claim it to be. You have to consider how they're coding the page and how it communicates with their databases. Currently, we do not have any function of the Mog Station that can alter character data from another account. The Mog Station only works within your account, and it isn't unreasonable to expect that it can't access another account's data.

I HIGHLY doubt this was intentional, cool your jets friend.

Fair enough. I'm just explaining it further. xD

[lynyan]

Fair enough. I'm just explaining it further. xD

ah i was responding to hyunckel, not you! ;w;

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holy shit calm down