FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[Hyunckel]

Too sad i can't find that quoute of VejjieGirl already explaining us how his friend sold two of those stuff and geared full i110 HQ... It's a good example to add to this thread, and I'd appreciate if she adds it after reading.

There you go dear:

Quoting this from another thread:

Until those of you against it can state how the items on the cash shop are mandatory, you can't argue against it being optional. Optional means it's not mandatory.

A Friend of mine was walking around in a full Arachne Set

Arachne Robe (goes for 1mil)
Arachne Culottes Of Healing (goes for 1.4mil)
Kirimu Gloves Of Healing (goes for 800k-1mil)
Kirimu Boots Of Healing (goes for 1mil)
Platinum Circlet Of Healing (goes for about 500k->1mil)
Thats around 4700000-> 5400000 gil.

For a player that just got to level 50 it was a pretty big jump to go from i50->i110(HQ) in just a few minutes.
I asked them how they did it, guess what they did.

Bought $40.00 Platinum Plan, and sold the Promise of Devotion for about 5mil each.

Its not mandatory but if you have the money to spend it can get you a huge boost.

Think of it as an "Optional" Power boost.

[Adrian74]

There you go dear:

Thank you very much, adding to main. And I'm glad to see that there's some people who can also see this and I'm not the only one... Because seeing at other threads and the super mega defenders of cash shop makes me sick.

Seriously, I rarel whine about it, I have not argued about minions, mounts before... But this 2.45 patch....

Eto... How do I do a super multiquote likek you did in your message for adding it with all those? ^^ '

[FyrmurlFloerasksyn]

haha. XIV is NOT going p2w.

[Adrian74]

For me the line is already crossed, why? Promise of Devotion is selling on my server for 19M, which is about the same amount of gil I made in about .. 7 months? This just reached definition of pay to win for me.

Dont get me wrong, I am not against cash shop. I have sleipnir and I bought platinum bonding for me and my friend. I am against cash shop affecting the game.

EDIT: I am not ready to leave this game yet, I still enjoy FFXIV alot but.. I was able to leave Lineage II when it became F2P, I was able to leave Aion, when it became F2P and I will leave FFXIV, when I will become really disgusted with the cash shop.

Feedback from another thread, it is sad. It costed me four months of having glamour wars to achieve 19m... (*added to main post)

[Hyunckel]

Eto... How do I do a super multiquote likek you did in your message for adding it with all those? ^^ '

Sumimasen Sempai, here you go:

http://justpaste.it/idgc

[Adrian74]

Sumimasen Sempai, here you go:

http://justpaste.it/idgc

Arigato ^^

[Lucem]

Here to agree and let my voice be heard, haven't got anything to add as the OP has it in one. Yoshi P at the London Fanfest shouting "No pay to win" seems like it was only yesterday...

[Alavastre]

Every game that gets a cash shop has these alarmist people saying it's P2W. Sigh.

Gil =/= best gear in game.

So, the argument falls apart. Legal RMT? So what? That's what Wildstar is doing. Bottom line, if you don't like it don't buy it. There is nothing in that cash shop that stops you from playing this game, or achieving anything.

[Hyunckel]

I wanted to make a new thread myself, but I'll just add my opinion here:

I'm on my first "free" month and I'm not sure if I'll renew my sub after it has expired in 4 days... I'm not sure if you can't write on the forums once your sub is over like it is the case on the wow forums, so better voice my opinion now before in case.

• I can accept people having months or even years playing this game, and in that way accumulating an advantage of some sort: Crafting classes allowing them to play the Market Boards trader job and grinding millions over months.
• I can accept people who were Spirit Bonding for months to have lots of Materia IV for their Relic, while selling those Materia they don't want. (Once I find the time or farm Gil I'll be able to afford those)
• I can accept those veterans having their Nexus on many jobs. Having a Medium / Large House. (One day I will too, once I farm Gil LEGIT)
• I can accept seeing lots of older players having a Nexus weapon for all their Jobs (I can just use a Ramuh EX (not 100% drop), Shiva EX (100% drop + token to upgrade) or the Sold Weapon with the UAT I got from Syrcus for now)
• All that is the way (MMO) RPGs work, you spend time to earn stuff. People who spent more time automatically earned more stuff (logically)

I CAN'T ACCEPT people just using their credit card to convert $$$ into Gil and BYPASSING ALL THAT EFFORT.

THAT'S 100% PAY TO WIN.

THIS IS NOT A FREE TO PLAY GAME.

In a subscription based game, mounts, minions are kinda OK. Even though those who want them are screwed unless they pay.

Paying $$$ to get in game currency to be at an advantage over people who don't pay IS NOT OKAY

Make the Wedding Bracelets bound on receiving through Mog Post or whatever is used to receive it ingame. If you want to allow someone to offer it to someone else, make it through the Mog Station Website and have it bound on receiving for those people too.
Make the stupid one use Metallic Dyes BIND the gear they are used on to the person using the Dye !!!

There, at least that issue would be solved.

[KioriBug]

Every game that gets a cash shop has these alarmist people saying it's P2W. Sigh.

Gil =/= best gear in game.

So, the argument falls apart. Legal RMT? So what? That's what Wildstar is doing. Bottom line, if you don't like it don't buy it. There is nothing in that cash shop that stops you from playing this game, or achieving anything.

Crafter gear and gathering gear would like to say hi. You can only get the best gear + materia by crafting it or buying it off the AH. If you still think that the argument falls apart think again.

This is apart from the weapon, but if you have the gear and the melds, getting the main hand is now easy.