Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Valarian]

I am all for this, and I'll tell you why. 1) In order to get wristlets, you have to pay real money. RMTs, as we know them, will not part with real money. Their goal is the opposite. 2) This gives people who do not want to spend real money a way to have the very best weddings though only in game means. 3) RMTs are targeted because they are not consumers. They generate huge quantities of goods and currency without needing any, and it devalues the efforts of real players who can not compete with automated robots or underpaid china men. When players sell wristlets, money just moves from one consumer to the next who, in turn, plans to buy something from another player.

[Vondoomervil]

Look at the White Knights.

Retainers don`t mean there will be a Cash Shop.
Cash Shop doesn`t mean there will be content put behind it.
Content behind the Cash Shop will never become P2W.

Desperate White Knights, this is pay 2 win, period. Anyone can now buy these, sell them and get runs and gear from coils or other content. Advancing in RAID content thanks to this. Getting ACHIVEMENTS with this. If that isn`t pay 2 win... Well, lol.

White Knights White Knights White Knights White Knights White Knights White Knights. All I could hear from you.

[Riepah]

White Knights White Knights White Knights White Knights White Knights White Knights. All I could hear from you.

That's a damn lot more than I heard. You must have amazing ears to hear text on a forum.

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Because you are purchasing an in-game virtual item from the cash shop and selling it for an in-game currency, that alone would violate the "Real Money Trading" rule mentioned within the ToS.

It's not against the ToS because you aren't buying in game gil for real world money. You are buying an item from the mog station with real world money (not ToS breaking). You are then selling an in game item for in game money (also not ToS breaking). How people can think you can be banned for trading in game items for in game gil is truly mind boggling.

I don't know why everyone is so worked up about it anyways. There are any number of items that I can make and sell for far more than a platinum bracelet, and it doesn't cost me a single real life cent.

[Katsaria]

I posted this in another thread but i'll recite it here since I believe it has more relevance.

I re-opened a ticket I had in the past regarding a previous violation I had received for an issue similar to this. I had a friend who had an extra dalamud minion and I purchased it with Gil. Hence small violation.

So I spoke with them today since this new stance (wedding bands/dye) seems to be completely the opposite of what the TOS suggests. Apparently, the Optional Cash shop is an exception to the TOS rules and it is not considered a violation to sell the cash shop items for in game currency. Isn't that a lovely double standard?

I'm fine with receiving the small punishment I got in the past, but why create rules and then pick and choose how to enforce them? Pretty messed up if you ask me.

Basically, any person purchasing those bands did the exact same thing I got cited for but this "exception" makes it not punishable.

[HeroSamson]

So literally half the party finder on Balmung is littered with people buying the Eternal Bonding bracelets for real money and selling them for 2.5-3 mil gil.

Isn't this against the ToS? Using real money to gain in-game currency?

um gil is not real money and bracelets are purchased by cash shop with is legal and on their terms.

You angry because you ain't making gil or something?

I ain't buying bracelets on cash shop and selling them but if people making gil on that good for them doesn't really bug me its not limiting me of my game experience.

[ZarethTolabain]

$ = Bracelet = Gil

therefore

$ = Gil

Odd that they're fine with this but go on and on about how many RMT they've gotten rid of.

This is fundamentally wrong.

RMT, by traditional definition, is a transaction where one sells in-game currency, items, and/or powerleveling services for IRL money to make IRL profit.

IE: Seller has 10 million gil. X character purchases that gil from seller for $5 US currency. Seller profits.

In the case of selling an item purchased off of a web site/game cash shop for in-game currency, there is no IRL profit for any individual involved (aside from the game company).

IE: Seller purchases bracelet from cash shop. Sells it in-game for X amount of gil. Seller makes no IRL profit.

NOW! If someone tried to purchase said cash shop item then turn around and attempt to sell it in-game for IRL money...THEN that would be RMT as traditionally defined.

[Fiaryn]

I am all for this, and I'll tell you why. 1) In order to get wristlets, you have to pay real money. RMTs, as we know them, will not part with real money. Their goal is the opposite. 2) This gives people who do not want to spend real money a way to have the very best weddings though only in game means. 3) RMTs are targeted because they are not consumers. They generate huge quantities of goods and currency without needing any, and it devalues the efforts of real players who can not compete with automated robots or underpaid china men. When players sell wristlets, money just moves from one consumer to the next who, in turn, plans to buy something from another player.

Precisely this. Square has no real vested interest in stopping this kind of trade. It does not actually impact the in game economy in any meaningful way, nor does it have the implicit threats of account theft and credit card information being released into the wild.

[Bluevann]

Not everything a GM says is to be taken as a dogma. I've had one telling me it wasn't a violation of the ToS to kick a player for being offline while they weren't offline.

[RinKaen]

No one is buying my bracelets ;_;