Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Xhominid]

And still, lots of people will continue arguing cash shop is not game breaking

People have no idea what true gamebreaking is...discuss something is gamebreaking...yeah no.

[Cynfael]

People have no idea what true gamebreaking is...discuss something is gamebreaking...yeah no.

Ikr? Gil doesn't buy you anything that will break the game. Even using it for melds is far from game-breaking, and almost anything else you do with it is fluff that doesn't impact gameplay at all.

If funding pentamelds, having a marginally more optimal Novus, and buying more food off the marketboard = the extent of gil's effect on gameplay, I think we're fairly safe.

[Tsukotaku]

Still, we need an official stance from the GMs or the Devs. We don't know for sure what they will think about this. Just after 5 minutes of PF I got around 10 messages on the line of "Me and my FC will report you for RMT", "You're going to get banned for RMT", Ecc...

Edit: I'm trying to get contact with one of the active GMs on Ragnarok, if I get something out of this topic I will bring it here.

Edit #2: Support confirms that it's NOT a violation of the TOS.

[Aldora]

Still, we need an official stance from the GMs or the Devs. We don't know for sure what they will think about this. Just after 5 minutes of PF I got around 10 messages on the line of "Me and my FC will report you for RMT", "You're going to get banned for RMT", Ecc...

Edit: I'm trying to get contact with one of the active GMs on Ragnarok, if I get something out of this topic I will bring it here.

Edit #2: Support confirms that it's NOT a violation of the TOS.

The thing is, their ToS says something different:

2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling.
You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.

Because you are purchasing an in-game virtual item from the cash shop and selling it for an in-game currency, that alone would violate the "Real Money Trading" rule mentioned within the ToS.

What people need to keep in mind is that the item is classified as Unique and Not sell-able, but not untradeable. The main reason why the item is not untradeable, is that you can get 2 and give one to your significant other / partner. If they really would allow people to sell the item, then the item would be classified as sellable so that people can place it on the marketboards.

The item is not intended for selling to third-person with the intent of receiving an in-game currency for the transaction.

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Because you are purchasing an in-game virtual item from the cash shop and selling it for an in-game currency, that alone would violate the "Real Money Trading" rule mentioned within the ToS.

It's not against the ToS because you aren't buying in game gil for real world money. You are buying an item from the mog station with real world money (not ToS breaking). You are then selling an in game item for in game money (also not ToS breaking). How people can think you can be banned for trading in game items for in game gil is truly mind boggling.

I don't know why everyone is so worked up about it anyways. There are any number of items that I can make and sell for far more than a platinum bracelet, and it doesn't cost me a single real life cent.

[Aldora]

It's not against the ToS because you aren't buying in game gil for real world money. You are buying an item from the mog station with real world money (not ToS breaking). You are then selling an in game item for in game money (also not ToS breaking). How people can think you can be banned for trading in game items for in game gil is truly mind boggling.

I don't know why everyone is so worked up about it anyways. There are any number of items that I can make and sell for far more than a platinum bracelet, and it doesn't cost me a single real life cent.

But that’s just the point. In this example you are selling an in-game item which you’ve created with in-game features (like crafting, gathering and purchasing ingredients from the market boards). No external incentive like Real Money has come into play here when it comes to acquiring the item you wish to sell or it’s ingredients.

When it comes to the Wedding and Dye items you can only get by purchasing them with real money, that’s a whole different story.

You purchase an item from the Mog station through the use of real money, then use that same item to sell it to another player for an in-game currency.

You might think it’s mind boggling how people think you can should be banned by selling an in-game item for an in-game currency, but it’s not about selling an item for an in-game currency. It’s about how you got the in-game item which you are trying to sell for an in-game currency.

You didn’t craft it yourself or used in-game features to gather the ingredients for it. No effort was made into creating this item, next to going to the Mog Station and purchase it with real money.

So, yes. You are indirectly buying buying gil through the use of an in-game item you’ve purchased with real money through the use of the Mog Station.

Unless we get an official statement from Yoshi-P, the above can be considered a bannable offense due to a violation of the ToS.

[Edeline]

But that’s just the point. In this example you are selling an in-game item which you’ve created with in-game features (like crafting, gathering and purchasing ingredients from the market boards). No external incentive like Real Money has come into play here when it comes to acquiring the item you wish to sell or it’s ingredients.

When it comes to the Wedding and Dye items you can only get by purchasing them with real money, that’s a whole different story.

You purchase an item from the Mog station through the use of real money, then use that same item to sell it to another player for an in-game currency.

You might think it’s mind boggling how people think you can should be banned by selling an in-game item for an in-game currency, but it’s not about selling an item for an in-game currency. It’s about how you got the in-game item which you are trying to sell for an in-game currency.

You didn’t craft it yourself or used in-game features to gather the ingredients for it. No effort was made into creating this item, next to going to the Mog Station and purchase it with real money.

So, yes. You are indirectly buying buying gil through the use of an in-game item you’ve purchased with real money through the use of the Mog Station.

Unless we get an official statement from Yoshi-P, the above can be considered a bannable offense due to a violation of the ToS.

Like I said in my previous post,as much as I don't support it, buying gil with real money isn't against their ToS per say. It's legal as long as you're paying SE. You paid for their item, they don't care what you do with it in game. It's illegal when someone makes real money profit from someone else's business product. You play that virtual product and make profit off someone else's work. That's the only reason RMT is pursued.

[Grimmel]

Still, we need an official stance from the GMs or the Devs. We don't know for sure what they will think about this. Just after 5 minutes of PF I got around 10 messages on the line of "Me and my FC will report you for RMT", "You're going to get banned for RMT", Ecc...

Edit: I'm trying to get contact with one of the active GMs on Ragnarok, if I get something out of this topic I will bring it here.

Edit #2: Support confirms that it's NOT a violation of the TOS.

GM's are NOT Game Developers. A lot of the time one GM will say it's okay, then the other will say it's not. And then you have times where a GM says it's okay and an actual Game Developer will say it is not. You should always take what a GM says with a grain of salt as half the time they are wrong.

I will continue to wait for an official response on this matter before I take the word of a GM.

[Tsukotaku]

GM's are NOT Game Developers. A lot of the time one GM will say it's okay, then the other will say it's not. And then you have times where a GM says it's okay and an actual Game Developer will say it is not. You should always take what a GM says with a grain of salt as half the time they are wrong.

I will continue to wait for an official response on this matter before I take the word of a GM.

The GM team is, most likely, the one that will take or indicate actions against your account in the case you're breaking the TOS. They've to follow strict guidelines provided by the publisher and/or the developers.

[Grimmel]

The GM team is, most likely, the one that will take or indicate actions against your account in the case you're breaking the TOS. They've to follow strict guidelines provided by the publisher and/or the developers.

And yet there have been several instances in this MMO and others; Where a GM will say something is okay and then a Game Developer will say it is not.

The GM team are enforcers; they are not judges. There is a separate team that hands out verdicts(Bans) based on GM reports; that separate team is the task force for this game. Every game has GM's and a separate set of representatives that hand out the bans based on information from GM's.

It's the same thing with RL; Police enforce the law and can arrest someone for something if they deem the individual is breaking a law, but they cannot issue jail time or other sentencing as it is not their jurisdiction.